LOL! Gwinner...they have been "ramping them up"...and "ability to mass produce coming in the 'near' future" for like 5 years (at least).
As both Mike and I have said, it's the status quo here UNLESS PROVEN OTHERWISE. Yes, the "possibilities" exist for great things with ZIVO. But, that's been the case for a decade.
In fairness I didn't hear the whole presentation ... I joined late. So I didn't hear it all ... and looks like ZIVO didn't publish the address with the 8K .... looks like only the slides unless I missed it. So I haven't read the parts I missed.