Appreciate this, Two Cents. I didn't mean to insinuate I learned something secret about mid-September, per se. I mostly meant that I was startled to learn something firsthand about (as you've just put it), "Nobody appreciates how good and truly smart and experienced these guys are." I'm convinced that that "appreciation" will start growing almost exponentially after the ECOC meeting - and hey, waiting for some few months for that "real fun" you refer to will be easy! Best...