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Flexroy

08/20/21 8:59 AM

#396994 RE: biosectinvestor #396992

Thanks for your explanation. It can be noted that when they talk about possible dangers of DC vax they cite an old article that basically just worries that bits of healthy brain matter are getting mixed into the lysate

So you're right some clarification would be helpful but as you say given an updated manufacturing process is probably at play, this sounds like an old issue (2014)

So in the end I'm of two minds about the omission, ATL could have seen it as insignificant and decided not to include it. Given that in light of the numbers, it might just be nitpicking
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biosectinvestor

08/20/21 9:04 AM

#396995 RE: biosectinvestor #396992

Honestly, I think this part is incorrect, and filled with suggestions from articles by competitors. The reference to 3-5 months, I don’t think that makes sense. And it would suggest that faster manufacturing would likely makes a huge difference but I honestly don’t think that is what happened in the Phase III trial. And they try to undercut the very data they provide… how could the results be as they are and yet the DC’s are not efficient in phagocytosis… they are looking to someone else’s research to say these things, which I do not think is truly about DCVax. These are generalizations from competitors. And the mRNA hypothesis is presented as fact, when it is not proven in reality.

It also undercuts what Dr. Liau said, that Glioblastoma is not standardized but very specifically different in each person with different antigens. They are saying you basically just need an mRNA vaccine that goes after cytomegalovirus and a few antigens, it’s cheaper, standardized and more practical. But that is not what other trials suggest. Yes, cytomegalovirus is even an antigens for DCVax, but we know the tumors evolve away with the approach they suggest.

Language right after the DCVax results they suggest:
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“Nevertheless, developing vaccines for individual neoantigens of patients is expensive and time-consuming because preparation of vaccines from the tumor samples take between 3–5 months (Peng et al., 2019). An additional limitation is the generation of sufficient DCs, as DCs comprise only < 1% of peripheral blood mononuclear cells. To overcome this obstacle, DCs were generated from monocytes ex vivo. However, it is questionable whether these monocyte-derived DCs compared to primary DCs from peripheral blood are efficient in an anti-tumor immune response (Huber et al., 2018). Furthermore, phagocytosis of tumor cells by APCs was enhanced by blocking the anti-phagocytosis molecule CD47 in combination with TMZ, inducing an effective anti-tumor immune response (von Roemeling et al., 2020). However, the use of whole tumor lysate to pulse DCs could cause autoimmune encephalitis since tumor lysate contains healthy brain tissue and induces an immune response toward the normal brain (Polyzoidis and Ashkan, 2014).

Moreover, a highly promising approach for cancer immunotherapy, denotes mRNA vaccine, which express tumor-specific antigens or TAA in APCs, has become into focus to treat glioblastoma. mRNA does not pose the risk of an infectious or an integrating agent, the potential of mRNA vaccines is the effectiveness, safety in administration, and low cost of manufacturing (Pardi et al., 2018; Weng et al., 2020). A phase I study utilizing DCs, loaded with TAA mRNA targeting cytomegalovirus pp65 protein that is expressed in > 90% of glioblastoma cases, demonstrated an OS of 35 months. As a consequence, co-delivery of mRNA vaccines together with immunotherapeutics can increase the host anti-tumor immune response (Batich et al., 2020; Miao et al., 2021). Notwithstanding the expected advantages, several factors limit the use of mRNA in therapy, including immunosuppressive effects of the tumor, half-life period of mRNA, and delivery complications in vivo (Vik-Mo et al., 2013; Weng et al., 2020). To overcome such issues, the chemical nucleotide modifications, capping analogs, and alternative delivery are currently being investigated and hold a great promise with current successful use of lipid nanoparticles to deliver mRNA vaccines (Weng et al., 2020; Rui and Green, 2021) or the use of viral vectors (Weng et al., 2020) and is therefore anticipated to increase the attention in glioblastoma immunotherapy.”
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ATLnsider

08/20/21 9:35 AM

#397012 RE: biosectinvestor #396992

biosectinvestor, while I do agree that this article is not a leak of the DCVax-L final data or peer-reviewed article (nor did I suggest anywhere it was a leak), I disagree with what you are saying about the text in the article immediately after the text referencing DCVax-L. I only focused on the specific text directly about DCVax-L. Although it is not perfect, I believe this article made an honest attempt to talk about several different potential advances in the treatment of GBM, by stating both potential positive and negative issues with each treatment.

I think there may be a language barrier, and some things may be lost in translation, because as you pointed out the lead author is from Kazakhstan, and others are from Germany. The neoantigen vaccines mentioned directly after the references to DCVax-L, are not about DCVax-L. The footnote reference for the neoantigen vaccine is this article by Peng et. al.:

https://molecular-cancer.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12943-019-1055-6

Also, this part of the text after the DCVax-L reference was directly from a 2014 article that was co-authored by Dr. Ashkan Keyoumars (Principal Investigator for the DCVax-L Clinical Trial in the EU):

A potential disadvantage of the DCVax®-L technology could be that the use of whole tumor lysate, potentially containing healthy brain tissue, may result in immune responses against normal brain leading to autoimmune encephalitis. Presently however preliminary data from DCVax®-L and other active DC-immunotherapy trials have not revealed any SAEs related to autoimmunity. Additionally DC cancer vaccines in general may prove to be not as robust and durable as required to vanquish the intrinsic ability of cancers to suppress the immune system.55 Long term data is required to shed light on this view point.



https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.4161/hv.29276

However, since 2014, Dr. Linda Liau, Dr. Ashkan Keyoumars, et. al. have proven that DCVax-L does not result in an immune response against normal brain cells.


Here is the text immediately after the DCVax-L references in the article:

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ATLnsider

08/20/21 9:49 AM

#397019 RE: biosectinvestor #396992

Also, biosectinvestor, while the article does state that the DCVax-L Phase I/II trial did determine the safety of the DCVax-L vaccine, the reference to the efficacy data is from the 2018 interim release of the blinded and blended ITT data. Here is the footnote reference used in the article (Liau et al., 2018):

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29843811/