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SamuraiProgrammer

05/27/21 8:20 PM

#657547 RE: mordicai #657539

Mordicai,

I love discussing things with you. You were one of the first members of this board that I made sure to read every post (back in 2009-2010 and such) :)

You are exactly right.

REITS were cancelled in 23.2
Ps & Ks were cancelled in 23.3
Commons were cancelled in 25.2

Yet the status of those assets is being litigated. Why?

I think most of us (not all) agree that the money lives on somewhere. I think most of us (not all) agree that the money should be distributed to escrow holders.

However, it if belonged to the spin off company, why all the mystery and skullduggery to keep it off of the SEC reports and corporation balance sheet?

If it was in a trust, it is probably still there. But, how do we tell who the beneficiaries are? Did cancellation of equity interest in the company pass through to cancel interest in the trusts? If not, who are the beneficiaries? Stock holders at cancellation? Stock holders at declaration of BK? Something else? I don't know.

Anything you can offer to shed light on the disconnect between cancellation of shares and ongoing litigation (which should therefore be moot), I would be very interested in your views.

This afternoon, I looked very hard for some language that itemized what went to the company exiting bankruptcy. If I recall correctly, this offered a clue. I do remember being concerned over the difference in definition of 'equity' vs 'equity interest'. I remember, at the time, thinking "this may be where the trusts are accounted for" and hoping that I wasn't getting screwed. It has been a few years and I sincerely don't know if it applies to the cancellation.

Do you remember any language like that? It had to do with a subsidiary of WMIIC (I think). If you (or anyone else) do remember and can point me in right general direction, I will dig into it. (I have a little more time on my hands now than I did then :)

stoxjock

05/27/21 8:32 PM

#657550 RE: mordicai #657539

Great Post. Thank You. Puts to rest to that LTI nonsense because we are 'Equity' (P, K & Us) and NOT Debt holders to be given any LTIs. En dof Story...And we retain our Economic interest because we are Equity-holders, Yes P & K are ALSO Equity!

***** Five Starts for the POST*****

Unicorns r Clowns

05/28/21 6:55 PM

#657617 RE: mordicai #657539

the residual interest goes to the successor in interest . In the case of WMI, that would be wmih now known as Mr. Cooper group.




Agree with your post except for this part. The wmilt has always been the sole successor in interest of wmi and wmiic. Wmihc now coop may be the successor company but all qsr and 10k filings after 2012 named the wmilt as the successor in interest. Not my opinion or words its whats in the docs. At least thats what i remember reading.

Royal Dude

05/29/21 1:12 PM

#657656 RE: mordicai #657539

Mordicai, Thank you for your opinion and research. I would not think that the attorneys for hedge Funds would allow this evaluation of residual assets to be destroyed for themselves and retail that I believe to be inseparable. One post

This part of 32.4 should be sufficient

"Equity Interests shall be discharged; provided, however, that the foregoing cancellation of securities, documents, agreements or instruments shall not apply to (a) the securities related to the WMB Senior Notes or the WMB Subordinated Notes and (b) any security, document, agreement or instrument related to a Disputed Claim until a Final Order resolving any such Disputed Claim is entered;"

Also the calculator organized by Edgar Sargent should help to determine the distribution to each class. Lets hope for the Best.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ZoUYA5R7n6pEB-JxSS6NxEayKqNmtbKAaXwf_rOaeZQ/edit?ts=6079c689#gid=519369997