and for a lot less money, you can get the Sandisk, Philips, or any other device, and they all are equal, or better than the ipod...the ipod is an over-priced ego piece now.....avoid the hard-drive based untis...go with flash based, you can get an 8GB flash unit fairly cheap BTW, the stores make almost no margin on the hardware, but get 40-45 points(or more) on the accessories.