Whitewash--Now that's funny! But I'm won't touch the "elitist" issue with a 10-foot BARGE pole! Anyway, I'm not sure if the operative word is "elitist". I think the real dynamic, and certainly the most toxic one, is more related to the many of us who suffer from varying degrees of genuine clinical addiction to these boards. On the other hand, the clinical addiction might be justified if WAVE really is located at the epicenter of Trusted Computing(as I emphatically asserted to my latest Intervention Group!!!).