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Biobillionair

01/02/20 6:37 PM

#238259 RE: jaspirr #238255

Jas- Thanks...but if Lavin had a substantial point the patent would not be granted...again means nothing to Amarins argument.

This one has some substance. Amarin moved to exclude testimony regarding Dr. Lavin. I don't have that testimony but it is clear to me that it relates to the patent office: what the patent office wss told when the patent was issued, as compared to what the parties now know, about obviousness. In sum, the generics are allowed to present additional evidence of "obviousness" which gives them a higher chance of winning that argument.



What’s gain in ruling today? Knowledge that the defendants don’t have a clue on how to defend inducement or prove obviousness in light of R-I results.

Thanks for your pro-views.

BB


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shadolane

01/02/20 6:42 PM

#238261 RE: jaspirr #238255

Is there a course or two that teaches how to write such convoluted sentences?

You did a great job in putting it all into simple, understandable language.

Thank you.
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hayward

01/02/20 7:56 PM

#238271 RE: jaspirr #238255

jaspirr

Thanks for your interpretation. Do you have any thoughts on whether Amarin reaches a settlement prior to trial ? Or as you stated with the plaintiffs having a 1% chance to win at trial Amarin would want to proceed to trial ? TIA

Michael
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Whalatane

01/02/20 8:41 PM

#238278 RE: jaspirr #238255

Jas. Thx for commenting

It’s this extra evidence of “ obviousness “ ... not previously considered by the PTO ... that got my attention .
Kiwi
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Whalatane

01/02/20 9:18 PM

#238283 RE: jaspirr #238255

Jas re pt 2. Evidence not previously considered by the PTO

Not sure if you are familiar with how Teva ( I think ) invalidated the Lovaza patent held by GSK .

Even tho the patent had been approved for several yrs , Teva was able to find a situation where Lovaza had been used in outside research ... thus in the public domain ... before the patent was issued . They were able to use this to invalidate that patent although I think the case went to appeal

This is all from memory so please chk actual details

My pt is. ..with the Reduce It trial results heralding a new and very large market .... I expect Dr Reddy to go to extreme lengths to find something to try and crack Amarins wall of patents .... just as Teva did with the Lovaza patent .

The PTO was not aware that Lovaza had been in the public domain UNTIL Teva found evidence of such .

I agree that Dr Reddy has a very high bar to get over ... but I’m not as dismissive of the risk ...as some on this board appear to be .
JMO
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Whalatane

01/02/20 9:34 PM

#238286 RE: jaspirr #238255

Jas part 3

Any new evidence of “obviousness “ has to be disclosed to Amarins attorneys pre trial .... correct ?

I’m not an attorney but during my 30 yr business career I spent roughly 30 days in court either as a plaintiff or defendant ... so a few battle scars :—-)
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biowreck

01/02/20 10:05 PM

#238297 RE: jaspirr #238255

Jas, so not pivotal in your opinion. Care to give an overall opinion on currently pre trial arguments?
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eightisenough

01/03/20 8:24 AM

#238335 RE: jaspirr #238255

Dear Board: Do not rely on jaspirr, for legal advise. You don't know his credentials (law school/firm) and success as attorney. He is totally wrong in his analysis. Just look at amrn sp (similar to sprint whose sp is down b/c attorneys general litigation) and you see wall street IS CONCERNED that we can lose litigation. If defendants chances were so low as jaspirr says the stock would be higher. A hedge should be made--It is impossible to predict a judge's decision.

Example of jaspirr wrong analysis: RE: the motions in limine:

["1st negative: (Defendants' motion granted in part) The Court mostly agrees with Plaintiffs, but also agrees with Defendants that Plaintiffs’ experts will not be allowed to express opinions at trial that were not included in their expert reports. Plaintiffs’ experts are prohibited from testifying about the rat and mice studies at trial to the extent they did not rely on those studies in their expert reports.]

jaspirr is wrong when he states: "This makes zero difference to either side. These are just general principles of litigation. An expert cannot testify about a topic at trial if the expert didn't put it in their written report. The Judge is just reiterating what the rules are."

B/c the court stated: "A motion in limine... is a preliminary motion whose outcome lies entirely within the discretion of the Court." it is up to the judge's discretion to grant or deny such motions. It makes 100% difference if the experts can discuss other topics not in their report.

[2nd negative:(Plaintiffs' motion denied): "More substantively, the Court agrees with Defendants that while Defendants bear the burden of establishing obviousness by clear and convincing evidence, and that burden never changes, it is easier to carry if Defendants rely on evidence of obviousness that was not presented to the patent office—such as evidence that Dr. Lavin later backed away from key factual assertions he made in the Lavin Declarations.']

jaspirr is wrong when he states: "This one has some substance. Amarin moved to exclude testimony regarding Dr. Lavin. I don't have that testimony but it is clear to me that it relates to the patent office: what the patent office wss told when the patent was issued, as compared to what the parties now know, about obviousness. In sum, the generics are allowed to present additional evidence of "obviousness" which gives them a higher chance of winning that argument."

This motion is more than 'some substance"--it is essential for defendants to use dr. lavin's testimony as the court ITSELF stated:
'It is easier to carry if Defendants rely on evidence of obviousness that was not presented to the patent office"

[3rd negative (Plaintiffs' motion denied): While the Court does not rule today on the proper priority date for the patents in suit, Defendants may make a priority date argument at trial—because the Court sees no good reason to rule to the contrary.]

jaspirr is very wrong when he stated: "This is another non-issue. No ruling by the Judge. Just reiterating the rules and delaying the decision until trial."

It was a great victory for defendants that the court allows them to make a priority date argument and push forward the patent dates to their filing date of (February 2009) not March 2008 so it can show prior art before feb. 2009.

jaspirr's statement: "I'd be hesitant to even say this gives generics a 1% higher chance of winning." IS RIDUCLUOS