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mrrhodes

11/07/19 10:05 AM

#87140 RE: penny2pound #87139

If Lucy trips, I’m sure little Timmy will be there to break her fall! lol
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gastric

11/07/19 10:12 AM

#87141 RE: penny2pound #87139

Again, USPTO has requested participation in Apple's appeal of the PTAB's decision finding VPLM had conducted ILLEGAL EX PARTE behavior, but wasn't actually punished in any way. Which obviously makes no sense considering it caused an entirely new panel to be seated.

None of this has anything to do with the Alice dismissals.

And the fact that the PTAB has opted to step in, in Voip-Pals case, in an unusual move, to intercede.

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nyt

11/07/19 10:39 AM

#87143 RE: penny2pound #87139

The point is: thats wrong...
The ptab never "awarded" any "wins" to vplm. The ptab simply denied apples challenge to vplm patents being valid. That is not a "win". To win something you have to gain something. Vplm did not gain anything. Apple DID lose something, they lost their challenge. Vplm defended itself and warded off those challenges. The fact that the whole thing was totally phony, imo, in the 1st place, because of the threat of the sawyer letters of federal Rico charges against the ptab. If it wasn't for that, there's no way in hell there would've been that unprecedented sweep, but that's a whole other story. The point is that vplm gained nothing and it wasn't an "awarded win". Patent validity, which was the question looked at, simply means that a challenge is presented against the judgement of the original USPTO granting of patents, as though they made an error in originally awarding a patent. There is a certain criteria required for USPTO to award a patent, which has nothing to do with efficacy, need or value. I studied those prerequisites way back when the IPRs were 1st announced & I posted those criteria here. I think it was about 4 basic requirements to get a patent awarded and not all that difficult to accomplish. So vplm had there patents approved by USPTO & a couple few years later apple & others threw up their challenges to those patent awards. Those challenges failed in ptab court, so apple et al were handed defeat of the challenges. Vplm, on the other hand gained or lost nothing. That were left with exactly the same things they had all along for years, ie, their patents. They never lost those patents at any time and they gained nothing above and beyond what those patents were all along. That can be viewed as a win in a certain sense, but it's a false view. It's a similar idea as the false claims recently made that vplm was somehow the winner in the locksmith trial, because, lol, they didn't have to pay some ridiculous fantasy $60 million figure. Of course, in reality, in this case, there was no win whatsoever for vplm & it WAS indeed a loss across the board for vplm, so actually much different, but I mean to say it's an example of how some can falsely claim a win when there is no true win. To win, you must gain something. So what happened then, in the ptab affair, is that vplm MAINTAINED their patents and were not "awarded" anything. They already had their awards and kept them. Of course that is no longer the case as the recent Koh rulings rendered the patents as ineligible thus invalid. I find that very ironic becsuse vplm now doesn't have the patents that it never was able to sell or license anyway. So again, not much if a loss, nevertheless it IS a loss.
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DeerBalls

11/07/19 11:02 AM

#87146 RE: penny2pound #87139

SPOT ON, P2P! Fabulously laid out. Adding to your points, if VPLM is such a pushover and "angry" is so correct in her ruling, WHY is aapl pushing further IPRs and battling on the sanction decision?

Further, how was VPLM able to have patents granted around the world? Patents granted in India, Brazil, Indonesia and especially in the E.U.? My understanding is the E.U. has an extremely rigorous process of patent examination! Then, a 9 month challenge period... VPLM, the blowover that it is, passed these tests???? Quite impressive!

PATIENCE IS A VIRTUE

VPLM IS SITTING IN ITS BEST POSITION EVER!
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VVVVVV

11/07/19 11:37 AM

#87147 RE: penny2pound #87139

Yes, I was just looking at the timeline of working through the Federal Appeal process. We’re about nine months away. Fifteen, with the second Alice.

IMHO
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Shine53

11/08/19 12:58 PM

#87192 RE: penny2pound #87139

Penny2pound, could you clairfy the timeline that you would expect when the right to a proper hearing of evidence will take place? Is this the date set in February 2020?