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Beau1954

05/10/18 1:03 AM

#174559 RE: MoneyForNuthin #174556

Very good and well thought out comment. I learned something new. I would love to see if someone wants to challenge that post with facts and not rumors.

smith investment

05/10/18 1:47 AM

#174562 RE: MoneyForNuthin #174556

I disagree,
Investors saw around $30 million in contracts, yet projected revenue, is NOT $30 million, it's 1 million last quarter, next quarter a little more and quarter after some more
So were is the $30 million??
Answer is it takes time to get the money, or to fill the orders etc
That's the frustration, not the debt issue ,
yes debt issue is an issue, only because the money from contracts are not hitting the books quickly.
This private label deal when announced, will it be the same ,delayed payment or quick payment, is it then sell on news, or wait ,short time TILL money shows up in quarter report, for stock price to hold its gains
Jmo

Davis_Elite

05/10/18 2:13 AM

#174564 RE: MoneyForNuthin #174556

Plus one for that excellent response to some of the FUD on this board.. I will agree i am one of the longs that has been able to grab some more cheapies down here..

C'mon folks, just do some DD of your own. You know, part of DD is understanding rules for issuers. There is absolutely nothing as absurd as a requirement to file a disclosure that a 3(a)(10) transaction has been completed. Just like there is NO requirement to file a disclosure that a toxic lender has started OR completed converting OR selling shares.

There are MANY requirements for disclosure to cover all of the possible ways that ISSUERS can SELL shares. NONE for disclosing that issuers or anyone else is DONE issuing or selling shares. For example, SEC-reporting issuers are required to file an 8K to disclose when they issue a convertible note - BECAUSE they are, in effect, issuing stock, should the note convert. Yes, the stock is not officially ISSUED at that time, but when the noted is funded (money actually chages hands), that is the time that the clock starts on the 6-month restriction for Rule 144 exempt shares being "issued". The point is to force these issuers to report to shareholders that the 6-month clock is starting to tick for shares that, if converted, though currently restricted, could become unrestricted and free-trading, should the note holder convert.

And NO, a holder of 3(a)(10) exempt shares of ONCI is NOT holding OR selling shares now. Quite simply, that's NOT how it works. They get a tranche of shares and sell them, and then they get another and sell them, and so on, until the net proceeds from sales of shares satisfies the debt that is being paid through the 3(a)(10) process. This process CANNOT be completed until the shares are actually sold and the balance on the 3(a)(10) settlement is paid in full. So IF there is any statement from the company that the 3(a)(10) is done... it is DONE - shares given to seller (NB), shares SOLD in the market, total proceeds from sale of stock = total settlement amount for the 3(a)(10) transaction... DONE, DONE, DONE - no more 3(a)(10) shares to sell... ZERO... ZIP... NADA. Easy enough to understand?!?

Any issuer MAY freely disclose, in an 8K, in a press release, or a tweet, that a 3(a)(10) transaction has been completed. There is NO requirement to do so.

SB indicated in the previous Shareholder Letter that the 3(a)(10) was 99.9% complete, and he estimated completion by "today or tomorrow". He then tweeted a few days later that "...the 3(a)(10) is done... and there is NOT another 3(a)(10)." Easy enough to understand?!?

I am most definitely NOT the only shareholder that understands this process. Undoubtedly, there are many who could have offered this clarification, if it suited their interests. The mere fact that no one has clarified this should tell anyone paying attention here that there are some number of traders who see it in their best interest to let the FUD (fear, uncertainty and doubt) persist. Gee... could it be that there are more than a few flippers out there? And quite likely, more than a few longs who are not too upset to have more shares at a discount price. But look at the volume, accumulation and share price. Should tell you something - like... just do your DD.

I don't really care a whole helluva a lot, I've been absorbing more than my fair share of stock again over the past week+. Maybe I'm just concerned about losing self-respect, bottom-feeding like this to my heart's content from these low-volume capitulators, feeding on this FUD - all while I read numerous posts from seemingly unknowing traders who actually give credence to these ridiculous ideas that "well, maybe there's something to this claim that there are 3(a)(10) shares still converting." It's pretty simple. Flippers love FUD. But then again, so do longs. As I've already admitted, I have benefited from it.


wrenchman

05/10/18 3:51 AM

#174568 RE: MoneyForNuthin #174556

Very well said and YES many LONGS are absorbing shares here and not falling for the FUD either!;-)

THIS VIDEO SAYS IT ALL!:-)

#DUMPTRUCKLOADING #LONG&STRONG


mary777

05/10/18 6:40 AM

#174569 RE: MoneyForNuthin #174556

Wonderful post and a must read for everyone on this board.

aquayacht

05/10/18 7:39 AM

#174571 RE: MoneyForNuthin #174556

MoneyForNuthin correct.Newbies please read. I am a retired 144 specialist at a large N.Y. firm. I am not up to date with any recent changes but as of what I knew from when I retired I would think this info. is spot on. I have been long since 22 and yes I am glad to accept these prices. I agree lots of FUD here but you'll get over that.All imho.gl

BigBadWolf

05/10/18 7:41 AM

#174572 RE: MoneyForNuthin #174556

total BS Real Knowledge is Powerful
Regulatory Required filing when 3(a)(10) began https://backend.otcmarkets.com/otcapi/company/financial-report/180752/content

Regulatory Required filing when 3(a)(10) ends
oops NO SUCH FILING
https://www.otcmarkets.com/stock/ONCI/disclosure

deferred salary debt contained into a 3(a)(10) must be held for 6 months prior to Steve Kickback Berman getting his

littleman2

05/10/18 8:07 AM

#174574 RE: MoneyForNuthin #174556

Would you explain to me what is meant by this statement at the top of page 14 in the last Q report? 'These additional 420M common shares issued realized ( or are expected to realize) approximately $1M in net proceeds.'

It looks to me like of the 420M shares,300M were not issued till March 7 2018.

Not bashing,doubting you, just trying understand these reports & why we are not moving up, if all debt is through converting. I'm I reading it wrong?

The report.

https://backend.otcmarkets.com/otcapi/company/financial-report/188995/content

DJknows

05/10/18 3:53 PM

#174655 RE: MoneyForNuthin #174556

Worthy of a stickie so that this matter's not brought up anymore ... very astute and clear explanation of what's happened.... thanks MFN, excellent as always... wish more understood these realities, truths and facts on how it all works!

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C'mon folks, just do some DD of your own. You know, part of DD is understanding rules for issuers. There is absolutely nothing as absurd as a requirement to file a disclosure that a 3(a)(10) transaction has been completed. Just like there is NO requirement to file a disclosure that a toxic lender has started OR completed converting OR selling shares.

There are MANY requirements for disclosure to cover all of the possible ways that ISSUERS can SELL shares. NONE for disclosing that issuers or anyone else is DONE issuing or selling shares. For example, SEC-reporting issuers are required to file an 8K to disclose when they issue a convertible note - BECAUSE they are, in effect, issuing stock, should the note convert. Yes, the stock is not officially ISSUED at that time, but when the noted is funded (money actually chages hands), that is the time that the clock starts on the 6-month restriction for Rule 144 exempt shares being "issued". The point is to force these issuers to report to shareholders that the 6-month clock is starting to tick for shares that, if converted, though currently restricted, could become unrestricted and free-trading, should the note holder convert.

And NO, a holder of 3(a)(10) exempt shares of ONCI is NOT holding OR selling shares now. Quite simply, that's NOT how it works. They get a tranche of shares and sell them, and then they get another and sell them, and so on, until the net proceeds from sales of shares satisfies the debt that is being paid through the 3(a)(10) process. This process CANNOT be completed until the shares are actually sold and the balance on the 3(a)(10) settlement is paid in full. So IF there is any statement from the company that the 3(a)(10) is done... it is DONE - shares given to seller (NB), shares SOLD in the market, total proceeds from sale of stock = total settlement amount for the 3(a)(10) transaction... DONE, DONE, DONE - no more 3(a)(10) shares to sell... ZERO... ZIP... NADA. Easy enough to understand?!?

Any issuer MAY freely disclose, in an 8K, in a press release, or a tweet, that a 3(a)(10) transaction has been completed. There is NO requirement to do so.

SB indicated in the previous Shareholder Letter that the 3(a)(10) was 99.9% complete, and he estimated completion by "today or tomorrow". He then tweeted a few days later that "...the 3(a)(10) is done... and there is NOT another 3(a)(10)." Easy enough to understand?!?

I am most definitely NOT the only shareholder that understands this process. Undoubtedly, there are many who could have offered this clarification, if it suited their interests. The mere fact that no one has clarified this should tell anyone paying attention here that there are some number of traders who see it in their best interest to let the FUD (fear, uncertainty and doubt) persist. Gee... could it be that there are more than a few flippers out there? And quite likely, more than a few longs who are not too upset to have more shares at a discount price. But look at the volume, accumulation and share price. Should tell you something - like... just do your DD.

I don't really care a whole helluva a lot, I've been absorbing more than my fair share of stock again over the past week+. Maybe I'm just concerned about losing self-respect, bottom-feeding like this to my heart's content from these low-volume capitulators, feeding on this FUD - all while I read numerous posts from seemingly unknowing traders who actually give credence to these ridiculous ideas that "well, maybe there's something to this claim that there are 3(a)(10) shares still converting." It's pretty simple. Flippers love FUD. But then again, so do longs. As I've already admitted, I have benefited from it.

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Very best to all with ONCI/HEXA!