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08/24/03 10:04 PM

#24874 RE: Zeev Hed #24872

Not a realistic solution. Perhaps just, but not realistic. The U.S. could compensate the Palestinians well enough by taking the money that it gives Israel (just used to build settlements anyway, further inflaming the situation) and Egypt for two years (about $10B in all, enough to give 100k Palestinian families $100k each).
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ergo sum

11/09/03 11:17 PM

#28969 RE: Zeev Hed #24872

Religion really is the answer.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A19841-2003Nov9.html
Russians Laud Ivan the Not So Terrible
Loose Coalition Presses Orthodox Church to Canonize the Notorious Czar
By Susan B. Glasser
Washington Post Foreign Service
Monday, November 10, 2003; Page A18


MOSCOW -- For centuries, he has been called one of the most villainous of the many villains in Russian history, a blood-soaked tyrant who murdered his son, created the country's first secret police force and personally took part in its massacres. Even the name by which he came to be known tells bluntly of his legend: Ivan the Terrible.



Try telling that to Zhanna Bichevskaya.

A famous folk singer since Soviet times, she now performs loving ballads to the memory of the czar and agitates on state-owned radio for him to be canonized as a saint by the Russian Orthodox Church. Her eyes fill with tears as she expounds on his holiness.

On her latest CD, released last summer, she extols the 16th-century ruler as a warrior who served the church and worked to "decimate Russia's enemies." She has personally handed a copy of the new CD to Patriarch Alexy II, leader of the church. On it, she sings that Ivan has been "crowned by God with a sacred halo."

"They call him a heretic," she said in an interview, "but he is a saint."

Bichevskaya is not an isolated fan of the czar, who historians say killed thousands of his own people. She is merely one of the more prominent converts pressing the Russian Orthodox Church to declare him a saint.

It's a cause embraced by a loose coalition of dissident priests, extreme nationalist newspapers and politicians, monarchists and an increasing number of regular Orthodox believers, according to religion experts.

"We don't think this is ridiculous," said Sergei Chapnin, editor of the official Russian Orthodox newspaper, the Church Herald. "We consider it to be a serious problem for the church. There is a group that is leading this propaganda and thousands of people are under their sway. It threatens the unity of the church."

Indeed, what makes this Ivan the Terrible revisionism most notable is how hard the church hierarchy is fighting it. Alexy took the unusual step of blasting the idea of sainthood for Ivan, calling it "madness" for the church to equate "murderers and martyrs, lechers and saints." The church canonization commission is now marshaling historical evidence to prove why Ivan the Terrible cannot be a saint, according to a member of the panel.

While publicly dismissing Ivan's supporters as a fringe movement, church leaders fear it is turning into a popular cause among the millions of people who have returned to the Orthodox church in the dozen years since the Soviet Union collapsed. Their enthusiasm taps a deep strain of mystic nationalism that has proved a powerful force at odds with the country's official turn toward integration with the West.

In part, that's because the pro-Ivan forces already have a record of success. In the 1990s, this same coalition advocated the once-outlandish idea of sainthood for the last czar, Nicholas II, and his family, who were all executed by the Bolsheviks in 1918. In 2000, yielding to their pressure, the church canonized the murdered Romanovs, ignoring Nicholas's documented anti-Semitism and condoning of pogroms against his Jewish subjects.

"They believe the canonization of Emperor Nicholas II gives them reason to hope for canonization of Ivan the Terrible," said Vladislav Tsypin, a religious scholar and member of the canonization commission. "But there are no real parallels between the two. Nicholas II was a victim of terror, and Ivan the Terrible was an organizer of terror."

The record would seem to make the man known formally as Ivan IV the unlikeliest of saints. The first Russian leader to crown himself czar, or emperor, he built the majestic St. Basil's Cathedral in Red Square to commemorate his victory over the Tatar khan in Kazan. But he is better known for the disastrous 24-year Livonian War, which he lost to the Poles and Swedes. He created the feared secret police force known as the oprichniki and led a pogrom that killed thousands in the city of Novgorod in 1570. In 1581, he fatally stabbed his oldest son Ivan.

Tsypin ticked off some other facts that would make Ivan a candidate for church condemnation, not sainthood: his seven marriages (the Orthodox Church allows no more than four) and his alleged involvement in the murder of Metropolitan Filip, who denounced Ivan's terror and was eventually canonized for his sacrifice.