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08/15/03 11:51 AM

#41258 RE: sophist #41255

Sophist, Data understands what he's talking about better than you can even imagine. He did not say the Tantivy purchase was a waste of money, he said I-CDMA is not likely to go anywhere (in so many words). That is supported by the fact that investors who spent over $70 million on the development effort are willing to let it go for so little.

It couldn't be much more clear than that.

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Data_Rox

08/15/03 12:52 PM

#41273 RE: sophist #41255

Data, you clearly have your "biases" and axe to grind. Few here complain about your own sometimes "slanted" viewpoints. What puzzles me is why you are so "hostile" towards a new and still developing technology, as represented in the technology of Tantivy, especially when, as we all know, the competition among developing technologies in so many areas of wireless is so fierce and it is still far to early to KNOW who and what will be the ultimate WINNERS after the market has further evolved and reached maturity. We are far from having any CERTAINTY and absolute KNOWLEDGE in that regard. If anyone did, investing would not be "risky" or a high stake "gamble". You have been quite cynical about TANTIVY and IDCC's involvement with them from the VERY BEGINNING of their first contractual arrangement.

OK - fair enough...since you may not have all my history....I LOVE new technology, I URGE this company to participate in various standards bodies and forums (they since joined a couple since my suggestions here - TD-SCDMA forum and TDD Coalition to name 2, waiting on WiMAX)....where I get a bit bent on the board (you state "hostile") is after some of my explanations of where that company or technology fits into the marketplace, there are still those that jump to the furthest extreme and exclaim that we've got the whole shooting match and are gonna be millionaires! Is it a gamble as you state? To a certain degree, yes....but if you can bring practical implementation and history to a certain instance, it changes the odds....I've always provided what I felt were more realistic expectations to the board, and so far they have been RIGHT ON. Re: Tantivy specifically, I had experience with the company directly and offered my take on their success.

The fact that you are sceptical is fine, but that in itself tells us nothing of real value. Many of the greatest technologies invented may not have been commercially "viable" (just think of Sony's Betamax as one of many examples) due to all sorts of extraneous market factors. Or think of the fierce competition among the various computer operating systems with Microsoft coming out the winner (despite the many flaws in its windows system compared to Apple's or the Linux system to name a couple). The point is this: IF you really had ANY confidence in the skill and competency of the IDCC engineering team (I know you have NO confidence in Management), then you might at least show some curiosity or at least take a wait and see approach to learn what THEY can and will do with the Tantivy technology, even if circumstances (whatever they may have been) conspired against Tantivy itself being able to stay the course. No doubt this presents a NEW challenge for the combined IDCC and Tantivy engineers. Mschere has done a good job of presenting the background and context of that challenge, and helped explain why IDCC has taken this turn and risk in their development program. What is your "beef" or "gripe" with that? I thought that is what this board is for. If you want to present a negative and contrary view, that is fine, especially if you can add some "substance" to your views. Pointing out that Tantivy couldn't stay the course is pretty obvious and besides the point. The point is: What can IDCC do with this technology and that is yet to be determined.

What are you talking about Willis? As many here already know, I have had more direct contact with management than almost all here. There are some I respect to a great degree, and others that I think their time has come to move along. (BTW - Howard is one of those I respect to a great degree). As for Tantivy and the deal, 2 times I stated I believe they'll see an ROI from the deal in about 3 years. Is that negative? Nope.


In short, it seems to me premature (if not immature) and presumptuous to be so arrogant and cocky and dismissive about the Tantivy technology. It is still too early in the competitive game, as far as I can see, for anyone to know how the competition will evolve and who the winners will ultimately be. The marketplace is in too much turmoil and transition, with all sorts of new alliances and partnerships forming every day, to clearly see or know the endgame results. I suggest a bit more modesty to go with your appropriate scepticism.

You don't do anything in short, but none the less, why don't you try for a change to train your presumptuous, arrogant, cocky and overly optimistic eye towards those that constantly hype without looking at ANY moderation or potential downside? I suggest to you that if I was the ONLY one who questioned those that hype the deals this company has made or the pretense that the company invented and owned everything, this stock would be MUCH higher than it is now, yes?.....but alas, it ain't so....there's a lot more out there that understand what is really going on "out there" and adjust their risk/reward tolerance accordingly.