It would be weird if he didn't list them, to be honest...plus they have to appear to be independent at this point for obvious reasons. Im still fairly confident, from the evidence that has been gathered, some of which hasn't been revealed to this board, that they are setting up an MA with Verb/Ethicon. Some of the evidence is entirely too compelling to ignore. The only thing we haven't found yet is a smoking gun, but the copious amounts of evidence are there.
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