Keep in mind Senti, immune checkpoints work well when the immune system is at advance stage disease. Those PFS low medians, particularly relates to pseudo progression incidents in the presence of existing tumor. In advance stage disease -- as reported with DCVax-Direct, as well -- immunotherapy inflammatory response can causes tumors to grow before they shrink. There are several sections within that conference that cover that phenomena. That is progression under old RECIST standards, but it doesn't mean patients failed imunotherapy, which you know. The immune cells gather within the mass, but considering in all those trials tumor existed, thus size thresholds were crossed relatively quickly. That low response for PFS are affected by the mechanism of action that correlates with that later stage of disease -- with tumor. I remind you that pseudoprogression in the NO MEASUREABLE disease setting, GTR environment, and essentially at earlier stage (as in newly diagnosed GBM) cause the same TIL. Patients are not necessarily being removed for Psuedoprogression as BBB changes do not mean "tumor" swelling. They are affectively finding ways to monitor the immune cell infiltration with other imaging modalities to keep patient who have not progressed by RANO measure (FLAIR does not have an initial size at start of treatment) within the studies. See attached.
That same paper above, also found that there is a correlation with longer survival for patients who have higher TCR overlap, regardless of whether TIL. And so TIL was best responders, but all patients who have responses are still deriving survival benefit. :)
Some important points, off RANO papers about FLAIR:
"RANO also advocates retrospective analysis of FLAIR signal intensity change and backdating time of progression to the first time point in which progressive nonenhancing tumor is suspected.” -- RANO paper
“In addition for FLAIR signal intensity change, RANO does not specify what degree of increase qualifies as tumor progression, only that it must be “significant” or “unequivocal.” Thus, it could be the case that although a 25% increase in bidimensional measurements for enhancing tumor is categorized as progression, a smaller amount of change in size of abnormal FLAIR signal intensity also may be defined as progression.” -- RANO
"Patients with nonmeasurable enhancing disease whose lesions have significantly increased in size and become measurable (minimal bidirectional diameter of = 10 mm and visible on at least two axial slices that are preferably, at most, 5 mm apart with 0-mm skip) will also be considered to have experienced progression. The transition from a nonmeasurable lesion to a measurable lesion resulting in progression can theoretically occur with relatively small increases in tumor size (eg, a 9 × 9 mm lesion [nonmeasurable] increasing to a 10 × 11 mm lesion [measurable]). Ideally, the change should be significant (> 5 mm increase in maximal diameter or = 25% increase in sum of the products of perpendicular diameters of enhancing lesions). In general, if there is doubt about whether the lesion has progressed, continued treatment and close follow-up evaluation will help clarify whether there is true progression." RANO criteria
"When new enhancing lesions appear at 3-6 months after TMZ, differentiation between true progression and pseudoprogression is not possible on the initial MRI. The definite diagnosis of pseudoprogression is made with RESOLUTION of the lesion on follow-up imaging [Figure 3]. The only useful sign for true progression on initial MRI is subependymal enhancement; although the specificity of this finding for the diagnosis of true progression is high (93.3%), it has low sensitivity (38.1%) and modest negative predictive value (41.8%).[23] According to the modified RANO recommendations, true progression on initial MRI must be reported only if there is new enhancement outside the radiation field (beyond the high-dose region or 80% isodose line) or if tumor is seen on histopathological sampling."
What do ICON state about RANO criteria as it relates to Psuedoprogression [mine]:
"Pseudoprogression:
--Enhancement that simulates tumor growth, most often caused by radiation (whole brain or focal). --Growth of existing lesions or appearance of new lesions [BRAD] within 12 weeks of completion of radiation therapy may be the result of treatment effects rather than growth of tumor. --Continued follow-up imaging can determine whether initial lesion growth was true progression or pseudoprogression. --If lesion continues to enlarge, the initial growth is called true progression --If lesion stabilizes or shrinks, the initial growth is confirmed as pseudoprogression -- In such cases, the baseline SPD is no longer included when choosing the nadir value for the purposes of determining when progression occurs [baseline nadir is measurement used in this Phase III trial] -- Diffusion weighted imaging can help distinguish pseudoprogression from true tumor growth, but its use is still experimental. The use of MR perfusion and spectroscopy is also being explored. [this trial allows other imaging used to confirm new lesion is progression]. " - ICON
FYI, ICON is the imaging specialist for this trial.
Thanks for all the synthesis you provided. The quotes from the video are very helpful.
Kind of makes you wonder if one possibility is that, in her previous presentation, Dr. Liau was indirectly talking about Hazard ratios as one (of many) possible solution(s) -- if necessary.
Here's a video by Terry Shaneyfelt on hazard ratios explained for the laymen.