===would be ideal for carrying===
Yikes, you must be big people! those things are several inches thick, at least the ones i've seen. maybe in winter with big coats on, but yikes, not in a tee shirt in the heat!!!!
the remington .380 is tiny, 6 round, lots of ammo around now, personal protection rounds aval. they also make a 9 that is just a bit bigger. the .380 sits in my top pocket all day and i barley notice if it's not there, sometimes taking hours after i had taken it out to wash my face or something, before i even notice.
shirt pocket, easy in, easy out, no holster needed. alternate bullets in clip, hard point solid, then ppr.
sleep with under pillow for years, never know it's there,
not meant to take down bear, just cover fire as folks will almost always look for cover if someone is firing back, while i go get something they would wish i didn't have....
anyway, hope i never have to face a judge down as those things look freaking awesome!!!
take care.