Count: I applaud your rapier whit, and wish you would post more often. It seems that an honest, well express opinion is attacked rather than rebutted on this board, as it should be. That said, I still believe manipulation of the highest order was executed on IDCC by a number of skilled players, whether PJ was a willing player or not remains to be seen. However; I do not believe in coincidences, and far to many occured on that Monday for me to think that this was just a case of sh..t happening to poor little IDCC. Maybe it was the perfect storm, and those of us who lost in the 6 figures should have trimed our sails and stayed in port, but alot of very smart posters did not see the storm coming and took a bad beating. IMHO Kiko