What's your definition of startup? Go ahead and spin it like you normally do. Every time you post you lose credibility. Neah is not a start up! If they couldn't sell to the US Navy which is the only niche market that makes sense for this company, it's a flat out Failure IMO. Neah couldn't even satisfy the requirement. Result NO SALES! Go ahead and spin it! The company interest is selling shares, not product.