Dr. Linda Liau said "all patients are living longer". She then went on to say "hopefully" with regard to crossover option patients who didn't get anything, ie. DCVax, and may have gone on to other treatments without it. In my opinion, it is these patients who, as a group, are receiving some benefit from treatments like checkpoint inhibitors and are part of the "all", that she hopes will show that DCVax treated patients will benefit more than.