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3kidsplus1

07/24/15 1:28 AM

#143569 RE: BlackThought #143563

The chart doesn't look too good. And on top of that looks like vix is ready for action.



http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=SPY&p=D&b=5&g=0&id=p18996086664



http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=%24VIX&p=D&b=5&g=0&id=p49585427846

imiloa

07/24/15 2:10 AM

#143574 RE: BlackThought #143563

re: "Too many ppl on this board wishing for the market to tank"

speaking for myself only, i certainly don't want the market to tank.

a lot of people in the USA are struggling to find decent paying work.
unemployment is still higher than 2007 (pre 2008 crash)
and many of the 200k/month jobs increases the talking heads are touting
are for lower salaries than those people earned prior
and often for part-time work.
meaning, overall, workers are earning less, even as the stats folks tout ever more jobs.

a market correction would almost certainly worsen the situation for the labor force across all demographics below upper mgmt.
and that's grim for anyone.

as such, i am not wishing that the market will tank.
i simply feel that, realistically, the market is:

• overvalued: Shiller P/E ratio currently 60% higher than historic means.

• inflated: S&P is 35% higher than 2007, while U3 unemployment still 17% higher than 2007.

• with significant carry trade debt as a fed rate hike looms on the horizon.
(this is critically serious, for anyone who hasn't taken time to research it)

• about to cope with earnings drops and potentially the dreaded "R" word if GDP drops for two successive quarters. eg:
http://www.yardeni.com/Pub/peacockfeval.pdf


adding all that up suggests to me that
while the markets can certainly range higher on exuberance
at some point, without significant rapid GDP growth,
they will realize they have flown too high.

and, with the carry trade debt issue,
that moment could come as soon as the fed raises rates,
which might happen in two months...


fwiw, these are my opinions on the matter.
if you have statistically backed data suggesting the opposite,
i welcome it, for the benefit of all involved in this forum.

imiloa

07/24/15 2:15 AM

#143575 RE: BlackThought #143563

another thing to consider: VIX aug15 futures are at 14.3.

VIX is currently trading in 11.8-13.0 range.
http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=$VIX&p=D&b=5&g=0&id=p02387094421

if the market players feel VIX will be higher in 3 weeks,
what does that suggest about their thoughts on market value in 3 weeks?