Lowman, UL approval involves very extensive testing in every aspect of the product from the usage to the safety features. They smash it, they flood it, they wire it up, they do everything they can to find fault. I know a lot about this! You will never get UL approval on a reference or opinion, period. My worry is that the science has failed and they don't have the stones to update us. The silence is pathetic. Not first class. I am an investor, not a basher. I think these guys owe us something. I think the INTEL guy is a shill, to be honest. They only had $750K to run with at the beginning of the year. Hello? Hope I'm wrong and thanks for your esponses.