You might want to re-read my post. I didn't say my guy was there during any of the ZIVO nonsense. I said he is intimately aware of how Pfizer/Zoetis function, having worked there.
Then I showed him the nonsense that is HEPI/ZIVO, and that made him laugh his ass off.
Relying on straw man arguments doesn't help ZIVOs aporarance at all.