Hi Bob, I think I have an answer to the antifreeze problem for us....................................... <img src=http://static.summitracing.com/global/images/prod/large/hnh-860228_w.jpg> Why use antifreeze and water when we can just cement the sucker??????? :-) <A HREF="http://www.hardblok.com/info.html" target="_blank">http://www.hardblok.com/info.html</A> TV