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Re: jamigo post# 31873

Wednesday, 10/24/2012 3:13:49 PM

Wednesday, October 24, 2012 3:13:49 PM

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Since model year 2007, everything coming from the factory meets all emission standards and gets much better fuel mileage than the old junk.



I think you have forgotten that many states changed their emissions standards this year... .not to mention that construction companies in many areas around the US and the world are now limited to how many hours a day they can run their equipment because of the emissions they put out.

The available devices function well and have almost zero negative impact on fuel mileage.


The only things I've found on the web are a few consumer groups that did tests on the types of units that are a build it yourself and buy it on ebay. The same can be said for Electric Superchargers for cars that are no more than bilge pumps pushing maybe one psi.

EGOC is not building "install it yourself" kits.

The problem is that the "research studies" that is out there has been done on GASOLINE engines. Not Diesel.

To date, Hydrogen fuel enhancement products have not been specifically addressed by the United States Environmental Protection Agency, as no research devices or commercial products have reports available as per the "Motor Vehicle Aftermarket Retrofit Device Evaluation Program."... in other words, they've never researched it.

Here's a few sources for additional research for those that actually want to check it out. Notice all the "gas" and "car" I've underlined. Diesel is a whole different ball game.

^ NASA Technical Note, May 1977, "Emissions and Total Energy Consumption of a Multicylinder Piston Engine Running on Gasoline and a Hydrogen–Gasoline Mixture" (Accessed 2008-08-08)
^ Hydrogen Internal Combustion Engine Vehicles Idaho National Laboratory
^ G. Fontana, E. Galloni, E. Jannelli and M. Minutillo (January 2002). "Performance and Fuel Consumption Estimation of a Hydrogen Enriched Gasoline Engine at Part-Load Operation". SAE Technical Paper Series (2002–01–2196): 4–5.
^ Mathur H.B., Das L.M. (1991). "Performance characteristics of a Hydrogen Fueled SI Engine using Timed Manifold Injection". Int. J. Hydrogen Energy (vol 16, pp. 115–117, 1991).
^ Per Tunestal, Magnus Christensen, Patrik Einewall, Tobias Andersson, and Bengt Johansson (January 2002). "Hydrogen Addition For Improved Lean Burn Capability of Slow and Fast Natural Gas Combustion Chambers". SAE Technical Paper Series (2002–01–2686): 7–8.
^ Tsolakis A, Megaritis A, Wyszynski ML, "Application of exhaust gas fuel reforming in compression ignition engines fueled by diesel and biodiesel fuel mixtures" Energy & Fuels 17 (6): 1464–1473 NOV-DEC 2003.
^ Yougen Kong, Sam Crane, Palak Patel and Bill Taylor (January 2004). "NOx Trap Regeneration with an On-Board Hydrogen Generation Device". SAE Technical Paper Series (2004–01–0582): 6–7.
^ Thorsten Allgeier, Martin Klenk and Tilo Landenfeld (January 2004). "Advanced Emissions and Fuel Economy Control Using Combined Injection of Gasoline and Hydrogen in SI-Engines". SAE Technical Paper Series (2004–01–1270): 11–12.
^ Water-Powered Cars: Hydrogen Electrolyzer Mod Can't Up MPGs, Mike Allen, August 7, 2008, Popularmechanics.com
^ See list of devices tested under EPA Gas Saving and Emission Reduction Devices Evaluation
^ US Environmental Protection Agency, "Devices and Additives to Improve Fuel Economy and Reduce Pollution - Do They Really Work?"
^ [Barton, P.J. 2004. Study of Heavy Duty Vehicle Exhaust Emissions and Fuel Consumption with the use of a JetStar™ Hydrogen Gas Generator. Environment Canada, ERMD Report No. 2004-32v2]
^ Wired magazine: Truckers Choose Hydrogen Power
^ "GreenChek Technology corporate website". Retrieved 2009-02-12.
^ Popular Mechanics Water-Powered Cars: Hydrogen Electrolyzer Mod Can't Up MPGs.
^ Greenville News Looking Out 4 You: Water 4 Gas Fails to Boost Mileage
^ "Hydrogen conversion claims put to the test - Video". 3 News. Retrieved 4 October 2011.
^ http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2008/07/water4gas.html Consumer Affairs Water4gas
^ Allen, Mike (2 July 2008). "The Truth About Water-Powered Cars: Mechanic's Diary". Popular Mechanics. Retrieved 21 May 2012.
^ Genepax Water Car: Too Good to be True? Yeah
^ Professor doubts water car claims – A leading alternative fuels expert throws water on Japanese company claims that it's developed the world's first car powered by just water. Professor Theodosios Korakianitis at Queen Mary University of London says water by itself would not be enough to get your car going. [1]
^ Ball, Philip (September 14, 2007). "Burning water and other myths". Nature News. doi:10.1038/news070910-13. Retrieved 2008-12-08. "(...) the definitive verdict of thermodynamics: water is not a fuel. It never has been one, and it never will be one. Water does not burn. Water is already burnt — it is spent fuel. It is exhaust. (...) And then there is poor Stanley Meyer, inventor of the 'water-powered car'. (...) How else can you extract energy by burning water, if not via a mythical substance?"
^ http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/facts-research/research-technology/report/Guidelines-H2-Fuel-in-CMVs-Nov2007.pdf
^ Schadewald, Robert J. (2008). Worlds of Their Own - A Brief History of Misguided Ideas: Creationism, Flat-Earthism, Energy Scams, and the Velikovsky Affair. Xlibris. ISBN 978-1-4363-0435-1.
^ Hydrogen-Enhanced Combustion Engine Could Improve Gasoline Fuel Economy by 20% to 30%
^ ArvinMeritor to Sell its Emissions Technologies Group
^ Umpqua Energy Evopac fuel reformer system

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