re: "if scumbags use popular Macromedia programs to deliver spyware, adware, malware, trojan horses etc [then] I wonder if Macromedia is liable?" rossi, My Googled 15,400 results for: adware+Macromedia+liable seems to say a lot has been written about this. I'm clueless on the products of: <A HREF="http://www.macromedia.com/" target="_blank">http://www.macromedia.com/</A> Most likely if Macromedia programs are in wide use under Windows then I'm sure I have been a target of them scumbags. If you have the time to identify to this board more info on this, then that would be nice to have here. The pcNews board has more articles related to this: Spyware Tricks Part II: follow the money trail <A HREF="http://blogs.zdnet.com/Spyware/index.php?p=659&tag=nl.e539" target="_blank">http://blogs.zdnet.com/Spyware/index.php?p=659&tag=nl.e539</A> I think this is Part I. <A HREF="http://blogs.zdnet.com/Spyware/index.php?p=658&tag=nl.e539" target="_blank">http://blogs.zdnet.com/Spyware/index.php?p=658&tag=nl.e539</A> This may "warm up" Fred... Plan lets users be the judge of flaws <A HREF="http://news.zdnet.com/2100-1009_22-5869923.html?tag=nl.e539" target="_blank">http://news.zdnet.com/2100-1009_22-5869923.html?tag=nl.e539</A> ... so as to prevent a cold transfer... Feds announce global antipiracy initiatives <A HREF="http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9588_22-5876017.html?tag=nl.e539" target="_blank">http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9588_22-5876017.html?tag=nl.e539</A> ... to making Fred "HOT" knowing the Fed does a poor show'n. Doug