Do I have to be a member to post charts here.... I have a different perspective when looking at charts. I usually don't run the Ma:50/200 unless I was going long, which I never do, so I start with the 10:50 and then MA:2:5 I have several Indicators I group together which i can email to you. Would like to understand your approach? But a thread would take to long, Just PM me if your interested. PennyLand is a great learning ground and other people's approaches can help in becoming a better trader. Thanks for your info.