You are completely missing the point here.
"1.there were in existence transgenic silkworms spinning recombinant SPIDER SILK, many months prior to september of 2010,"
The discussion was about whether Kim already knew that KBLB had a commercially viable product (i.e.: Monster Silk) when he gave out shares of KBLB at one cent long in advance of the CC on Monster Silk.
The tape you provided a link to states that they had many generations of silkworms producing transgenic fibers. But it ALSO says that not all of these fibers were commercially viable. You know that none of the worms were producing pure spider silk. The question is whether they were producing commercially viable silk.
So IMHO the original point (that Kim already knew the GMs were succssful when he gave out shares at one cent) was not valid. Having worms that produced fibers that "were not commercially viable" is a step toward a product but is not a product as is Monster Silk.
My point is that Kim made the announcement as soon as he knew that KBLB had a line of worms producing a commercially viable silk and did NOT know at the time giving out shares at one cent that he had such worms.
Note that he also mentioned in the call that "not all of the silks have been tested" that tells you that a number of the lines were from the latest round and not previous rounds. The only logical conclusion IMHO is that Monster Silk was among the lastest round of worms completed and that previous to that round KBLB had no worms producing commercially viable silk. You can SUSPECT that he may have all you want but there is certainly NO EVIDENCE to support that. All the evidence is entirely consistent with and supports that KBLB did not have worms producing commercially viable fibers until the time at which he made the announceent of the Monster Silk.
Some here have gone to excruciating lengths to try to find anything that could be stretched, spun and twisted to make Kim and KBLB look bad. The pattern is that everything is interpreted in the worst possible way for KBLB and that alternative explanations that do not conflict with evidence the way their explanations do are ignored.
You have no evidence to support your groundless suspicion. It is, of course, inherently impossible to prove it wrong as it is for all suspicions of that nature, so failure to PROVE it wrong means nothing. You have to have evidence to support such contentions and as of yet none of your purported evidence has stood up to examination.
RE: "Kim Thompson was not able to issue a press release because the s1 was not yet declared effective, kblb's counsel advised Kim to not pr as to avoid "promoting" his stock. "
Pure conjecture and IMHO a very implausible conjecture. A PR about an announcement of very real scientific progress could not be considered promoting, it is the legally required disclosure of a very significant material event. In addition, without knowing when he filed for the S-l and what he knew at that time the point proves nothing whatsoever.
The basic contention (that Kim made a deal at one cent when he supposedly knew he had commercially viable silk) is highly implausible and the evidence presented to "prove" it does nothing of the sort.
Just yet another bit of mud that won't stick.
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RE"the monster silk worm, announced on sept 29, was called "commercially viable" by kim thompson, kim went in detail as to why, how much silk they spin, and there being no doubt about viability. You claim he was talking about a future worm they did not have.......what?"
I said not such thing. I said the worms PRIOR to the Monster Silk were not commerically viable and moreover it was crytal clear in that discussion that I was NOT talking about the MOnster Silk worms. Which is probably why you stopped using quotes again. You appear, like certain others here, to have great difficulty differentiating between what people actually say and your MISinterpretations of it.
RE: ". the monster silk worm, announced on sept 29, was called "commercially viable" by kim thompson, kim went in detail as to why, how much silk they spin, and there being no doubt about viability. You claim he was talking about a future worm they did not have.......what? "
Your confusion here is a failure to differentiate between commercially vialble WORMS and commercially viable SILK. The Monster Silk worms at the time of the CC were producing commercially viable SILK. The silk had all of the properties needed to make it a viable product. BUT the worms were not yet homozygous and would not breed true so they were not "commercially viable" and needed to be commercialized. The contradiction you are seeing here is only in your own mind. Commercial viability for the silk is a different matter than commerical viability for the worms.
I have listened carefully to the tape and IMHO it is your lack of accuracy that is causing the confusion here and not mine as you contend. Unlike many here I take considerable pains to be accurate and pay attention to the important details and I suggest you increase your efforts to do the same.
RE: "why would a security integrity company give a hoot about monster hybrid if pure spider silk is just around the corner? "
"security and structural integrity" NOT "security integrity"! It always seems that it is your inattention to detail that causes your confusion. In this case your confusion appears to be directly related to ignoring the "structural".
There are many products in security and especially in structural integrity that so not required fibers with quite the high standards of Kevlar/spider silk (Which is EXACTLY why I made such a big deal before about the distinction between a company that "produces body armor" (which was never said!) and "produces products in security and structural integrity. It's the same old problem of being loose with the details all over again.
You are also failing to take into account the MANY discussions about KBLB producing a RANGE of fibers at different prices.
Monster Silk (at a lower price that pure spider silk) could probably meet many needs of the security and structural integrity fields. FOR EXAMPLE: (already mentioned here) one company makes hurricane proof reinforced walls using a fiber reinforcement. Since windblow objects in hurricance (and even tornados) have much less penetrating power than bullets, Monster Silk would probably be a considerable improvement over what is currently used whereas pure spider silk would probably be overkill. There are many other such examples.
Had you paid attention to the "structural" you might have realized this in the first place. The same company that may use Monster Silk in some products might very well use pure spider silk in other of its products shortly thereafter.
There is no contradiction here at all.
Just pay attention to the DETAILS, OK? They are important!
