You aren't listening to a word I am saying are you? While I'm sure the Dutchess selling has picked up the past couple of months, I have never said it was over the top...yet. But to say Dutchess can be here forever and not have that be a problem is the problem. As long as Dutchess is there, lurking, doing what they do, it doesn't matter if they never sell a single share. Just the fact they are there keeps SO many investors from buying in because of their bad repuation, and causes many other already present investors to sell, as we have seen from this board the past 2 months. Rain even left because of them. How can you say they have no effect?