D.inkie....thank you for the info that you gave me.... Have been kicked of RB for giving out jtar's tel number..... Oh well, I guess I will get by... OT...my guess on the Mia/UF game...UF by 5....I am a FSU guy.... Now, also a UCF (Univ of Central Fla) fan...Penn State 27/UCF 24...that is not to bad...last sat... dougal...Spring 99"