Dutch just go to APLL Raging bull to find originalfred who isn't doing so well with his gold OTC:BB APLL <A HREF="http://ragingbull.lycos.com/mboard/boards.cgi?board=APLL" target="_blank">http://ragingbull.lycos.com/mboard/boards.cgi?board=APLL</A> scroll down a ways to find him whinning and moaning over his stuck APLL gold scam He can only look at these kind with fogged-up glasses now just ignore him and oh by the way if APLL ever does anything I'm sure we will all hear what an awesome penny-picker fred is! LOL TEK