O/T: The value in Laforza is not so much in what is (although they have accomplished a great deal in the last several years), but what will be. I don't believe I ever suggested it was something you might like, or undertand. I work in R&D, so the steps they are taking make a lot of sense to me. As with any development company, you have to understand it intimately as it probably won't ring any bells on some T/A system. John :-)