QoneO You wrote "Charts need a valid trend line as the valid trend line break generates the actual trade signal according to the link." This above is true. <b>The problem I am having is the "delay" in drawing the envelopes.</b> This chart shows the three cycles touching the upper envelopes clearing now, <b>but it is not like that in real time.</b> see 9/17/2009 on chart below <a href="http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=41755318" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=41755318</a> PS: Thanks for the info on the program. I might buy it just to see how they handle the "delay"