sighhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh....... well, ok, after reviewing the experiences of our two illustrious reporters, i guess its pretty obvious where we stand here. i.e., not much further along than we were a month or two ago. from their narratives, we can glean little meat and potatoes that we all so long for to help base our buying and selling decisions. no massive piles of ore as far as the eye can see... no machinery and gadgetry so loud we needed ear protection, no sample pieces or refined copper ore of sort. or perhaps even any gold or silver trailings we all so counted on. oh wait, heres a high point.... it was noted as an achievement to have lights on. ARE YOU FREAKING KIDDING ME????????????!!!!!!!!! an accomplishment to have lights on??????? well, next uptick that happens if i can glean enough to get out of this mess, i certainly will. rio tinto my rear end. good luck everyone.