What I posted here .... .... seems to be the most reliable method of trading TIV <a href="http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=30701344" target="_blank">http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=30701344</a> There have been a few more opportunities since I last updated this. jonesie