CRAM & SDS 2 different products, in fact the CRAM is a better product than SDS. When the lawsuit hit, they had to go back to the drawing boards. BIO is Bankrupt. The company is finished. It is in the trustees hands, not Caroni's. If I am correct, the Patent belongs to Bruno. Bruno & Gib work for EFFC. We met with Gib for a few minutes last time we were there. Bio does not have anything. (If Jill could post, she could elaborate perhaps a little more) Rosebud-are you up yet?