Saturday, February 07, 2004 1:15:00 PM
good edit mammon!
IMO, you failed to note the biggest RISK of them all w/this stock - management's misplaced priorities (self-interested disregard for fiduciary duty).
why do you claim to be looking for a new board when you've already joined one? could one construe such a statement as disingenuous ?
...let's start a new board on IHUB, if it's possible, without bashers.
http://www.cadcamforum.net/board/memberlist.php?mode=joined&order=ASC&start=150&sid=2db9....
btw2, in what tier was the law school which you attended?
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rachel -- i used to count you among the most objective of the wavoids (maybe that's something of a contradiction in terms
some of the more abrasive people on the third rock reside in this strange little universe & are especially obtuse when anyone posts anything that they perceive as a challenge to the recruitment of fresh money (presumably in order to increase the value of their holdings, or in the alternative to prevent their holdings from eroding (IMO)).
simultaneously, there are definitely wavoids here whom i fully respect though respectfully disagree. a short list includes 24, internet, eammonshute, bigtim, zen (despite his machiavellian theory & misguided "dream" post), D&O, weby, & about a half dozen others... they have all been around since '98 or earlier & the important thing about them is that they are occasionally willing to note certain misgivings w/candor. they don't seem (IMO) to be recruiting newbie capital & if they are, they at least include some discourse that is critical. i still include you in that camp fwiw.
& speaking of "abrasion," mammon snidely posted a self-censored vulgar insult directed at me recently when i wouldn't spoonfeed her the similarities between Wave's mess & Shiva's back in 1996-97, nor comment on any of the possible legal similarities (despite numerous breadcrumbs posted that dot-connectors seemingly miss) or the potentially similar business outcomes.
Doma attacks regularly (& his yahoo alter-ego "nextflatpanel" is full-on rabid). AWK is about as acerbic as they come & seemingly feels compelled to regularly chime in (meanwhile he hosts one of many Wave-hype websites). kevins5elected bolds, 88, etc., etc., not to mention the bizarre epithets from one seriously disturbed wavoid on the yahoo thread.
sorry to hear you are having trouble reconciling things... always thought you were considerably smarter than that. oh wait, i remember, i think i'm smarter than everyone.
haven't you yet noticed that my one consistent theme over the years (irrespective of whether i was holding wavx or not), has *always* been IMO criticism of mgmt's abject disregard for good corp governance standards, realistic & accurate guidance/disclosure & an observance of fiduciary duty?!? if those things existed at Wave, there would be little "abrasion" from me. i'm surprised you cannot see (or at least have not yet seen) how my vigilance on those 3 points doesn't comport w/the ideals & ethos of journalism & law.
on a similar note, what in Gawd's name leads you to believe i am in any way affiliated w/class action counsel, or have even contacted any of the firms suing Wave regarding these supposedly "baseless" actions?
FTR, i am not & have not.
& btw, IMO barge's particular grit of abrasion is hilarious (& as he well knows), i also think it remains entirely possible that the Embassy platform might some day become the interoperable trusted o/s & that Wave could be Qualcomm-like someday as a licensor of ubiquitous IP. there... yet another very postive viewpoint about what Wave could be some day.
howiever, IMO the Shiva path also remains a distinct possibility & in such a scenario, current wavoids would unfortunately not be beneficiaries of that outcome (if it were to come to fruition). & btw, c_m, i "get" the technology far more than you would ever admit though i eschew digging into schematics & tossing around acronyms (as it is wholly unnecessary IMO to be a quasi-engineer in order to understand the potential value of wavx) AND btw, i like your writing style & (most of) your taste in music.
anyway, the fact that so many voids wanna run & hide whenever a critic like Zeev shows up implies (IMO) that the staunch holders are not nearly as secure w/their investment as they might have others believe & that the ostensible threat such critics might present to the fragile collective state of cognitive dissonance might simply be too much to bear...
100% JMO.
have a good weekend!
glom awk's DD:
http://members.rogers.com/wavesystems/
IMO, you failed to note the biggest RISK of them all w/this stock - management's misplaced priorities (self-interested disregard for fiduciary duty).
why do you claim to be looking for a new board when you've already joined one? could one construe such a statement as disingenuous ?
...let's start a new board on IHUB, if it's possible, without bashers.
http://www.cadcamforum.net/board/memberlist.php?mode=joined&order=ASC&start=150&sid=2db9....
btw2, in what tier was the law school which you attended?
----------------
rachel -- i used to count you among the most objective of the wavoids (maybe that's something of a contradiction in terms
some of the more abrasive people on the third rock reside in this strange little universe & are especially obtuse when anyone posts anything that they perceive as a challenge to the recruitment of fresh money (presumably in order to increase the value of their holdings, or in the alternative to prevent their holdings from eroding (IMO)).
simultaneously, there are definitely wavoids here whom i fully respect though respectfully disagree. a short list includes 24, internet, eammonshute, bigtim, zen (despite his machiavellian theory & misguided "dream" post), D&O, weby, & about a half dozen others... they have all been around since '98 or earlier & the important thing about them is that they are occasionally willing to note certain misgivings w/candor. they don't seem (IMO) to be recruiting newbie capital & if they are, they at least include some discourse that is critical. i still include you in that camp fwiw.
& speaking of "abrasion," mammon snidely posted a self-censored vulgar insult directed at me recently when i wouldn't spoonfeed her the similarities between Wave's mess & Shiva's back in 1996-97, nor comment on any of the possible legal similarities (despite numerous breadcrumbs posted that dot-connectors seemingly miss) or the potentially similar business outcomes.
Doma attacks regularly (& his yahoo alter-ego "nextflatpanel" is full-on rabid). AWK is about as acerbic as they come & seemingly feels compelled to regularly chime in (meanwhile he hosts one of many Wave-hype websites). kevins5elected bolds, 88, etc., etc., not to mention the bizarre epithets from one seriously disturbed wavoid on the yahoo thread.
sorry to hear you are having trouble reconciling things... always thought you were considerably smarter than that. oh wait, i remember, i think i'm smarter than everyone.
haven't you yet noticed that my one consistent theme over the years (irrespective of whether i was holding wavx or not), has *always* been IMO criticism of mgmt's abject disregard for good corp governance standards, realistic & accurate guidance/disclosure & an observance of fiduciary duty?!? if those things existed at Wave, there would be little "abrasion" from me. i'm surprised you cannot see (or at least have not yet seen) how my vigilance on those 3 points doesn't comport w/the ideals & ethos of journalism & law.
on a similar note, what in Gawd's name leads you to believe i am in any way affiliated w/class action counsel, or have even contacted any of the firms suing Wave regarding these supposedly "baseless" actions?
FTR, i am not & have not.
& btw, IMO barge's particular grit of abrasion is hilarious (& as he well knows), i also think it remains entirely possible that the Embassy platform might some day become the interoperable trusted o/s & that Wave could be Qualcomm-like someday as a licensor of ubiquitous IP. there... yet another very postive viewpoint about what Wave could be some day.
howiever, IMO the Shiva path also remains a distinct possibility & in such a scenario, current wavoids would unfortunately not be beneficiaries of that outcome (if it were to come to fruition). & btw, c_m, i "get" the technology far more than you would ever admit though i eschew digging into schematics & tossing around acronyms (as it is wholly unnecessary IMO to be a quasi-engineer in order to understand the potential value of wavx) AND btw, i like your writing style & (most of) your taste in music.
anyway, the fact that so many voids wanna run & hide whenever a critic like Zeev shows up implies (IMO) that the staunch holders are not nearly as secure w/their investment as they might have others believe & that the ostensible threat such critics might present to the fragile collective state of cognitive dissonance might simply be too much to bear...
100% JMO.
have a good weekend!
glom awk's DD:
http://members.rogers.com/wavesystems/
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