Crash allow me to make a positive suggestion I agree with your website analysis of Joe's site...simple and of poor design. It does however provide Joe a forum to make his case (right or wrong). Perhaps you could do the same? I'm sure you have all the emails and various sundrie documentation to refute EVIL JOE. You know all the wonderful GTEM.PK success stories and have all the financial info to back it up...so quit whining and start web site creating!! Go Get'em boy!!!