Tim..I've got patience.. as long as they are flat or gaining!..<g> holding VRA from April at 25ยข.. and guess who bought 500 at 4.25 and still holding... what was really dumb was I didn't sell at $6~$7 spike.. live and learn..LOL.. <img src=http://chart.bigcharts.com/bc3/intchart/frames/chart.asp?symb=autc&compidx=aaaaa%3A0&ma=0&maval=200%2C32%2C5&uf=0&lf=268435456&lf2=4&lf3=1024&type=4&size=3&state=11&sid=147711&style=350&time=11&freq=1&comp=NO%5FSYMBOL%5FCHOSEN&nosettings=1&rand=2863&mocktick=1> Still saving this one before I claim tax loss.. maybe I'll have a really great profitable year next year and I'll claim it then. dd