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Tuesday, 04/16/2024 4:00:55 PM

Tuesday, April 16, 2024 4:00:55 PM

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Is it possible to build a 2 billion share short position in a stock with 1.2 billion shares outstanding. How is it done.
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Building a short position larger than the total number of shares outstanding for a stock is theoretically possible through various mechanisms. Here's how it could potentially be done:

Synthetic Shorting: Investors can create synthetic short positions through derivatives like options and futures. For instance, they could buy put options or sell call options on the stock. By doing so, they can effectively bet on the stock's decline without owning the actual shares. Theoretically, there's no limit to the number of options contracts that can be traded, so someone could accumulate a substantial short position this way.

Borrowing and Rehypothecation: Institutional investors or hedge funds with significant capital and borrowing power can borrow shares from multiple sources, including other institutions, brokerage firms, or even retail investors who lend out their shares through margin accounts. They can then sell these borrowed shares in the market, effectively shorting the stock. The process of re-lending borrowed shares to multiple parties, known as rehypothecation, can create situations where more shares are shorted than are actually outstanding.

Margin Trading: In margin trading, investors can borrow funds from their broker to buy or sell securities. If an investor has a large enough margin account, they can potentially short a significant amount of shares beyond what they actually possess.

Dark Pools and Over-the-Counter (OTC) Markets: Some trades, especially large ones, may occur in dark pools or over-the-counter markets, away from public exchanges. These markets often operate with less transparency and regulatory oversight, potentially allowing for the accumulation of very large short positions.

Synthetic Derivatives: Sophisticated investors can also use complex financial instruments to create synthetic short positions. For instance, they might enter into swap agreements or other derivatives contracts that effectively mimic the payoff of a short position without directly borrowing or selling the underlying shares.

It's worth noting that accumulating such a massive short position would likely attract significant attention from regulators and market participants. Additionally, executing such a strategy carries substantial risks, as short positions have unlimited potential losses if the stock price rises instead of falls.
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I don't believe we have the options or other derivatives available that Chat spoke of, but their answer does make it sound possible. I don't know if there are option markets that normal investors cannot invest in, but certain investors may, anyone have a feel for that.

Gary
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