RR, there have been a few Dems that I've respected, since JFK-- but damned few. Sam Nunn and Patrick Moynahan come too mind. Here in Oklahoma , I find few that will admit to being Democrats. When I run across one, I ask them a simple question: Please name the Democrats, currently in office, that you respect.? I've only asked that of 4 or 5 people. Still waiting for the first answer. B2B