DD Support Board and Research Team

[jbsliverer]

That's some pretty lazy writing there, surprised it came from the NYT. I'm surprised at you for using it as a premise for your arguments, I think your better than that. I guess it serves as some filler to a small space, but that's about it.

I would argue that your emotions are getting the best of you, and maybe you need to take your own good advice, and take a few more steps back, zoom out, and look at the larger picture here. More macro, less micro I think would help a lot. This isn't about "winning" in Ukraine, or the singular goals that your describing, or the singular examples that your giving as comparisons, it's so much more larger and involved. There is no simple easy way out.

Nobody ever really wins in war I agree, and there never is any good solutions, only the better of the multiple evils. There is a lot of innocent having to pay the price and there is a lot of should've, could've, would've here, but here's where we are now having to deal with it. Some mistakes will be made, and it's going to be one major pain for quite some time, but hopefully the world can evolve into something more workable than what we've been doing for so long. That will be the only "winning" that we can look forward to.

There are unprecedented multinational, intelligent, non emotional (as much a humanly possible) things happening right now. It's just scratching the beginning, and many are just not grasping the magnitude of it's goals and effects that it's having now and will have in the future. A MAJOR shift and change in the worlds geo-political and geo-economic systems is starting to happen. This war and the resulting mayhem, will change the world as we know it forever, will change Putin as we know him, and change how every person in every country evolves into the future. Some things will stay the same, but a major part won't.

But back to the article, number one and foremost, there is no such thing as an "independent pollster" in Russia. Especially one that is supposedly labeled a "foreign agent" that can run around freely and say anything but what the state wants them to say that a minuscule 1,600 out of 150-200 million (shrinking) feels about things. Like that amount of "polled" can have any "accuracy" labeled as a statistic at all. Independent poll, what garbage. Can't even use the word independent as an adjective in a valid way when discussing information from Russia for factual discussion.

So the whole premise in which your views rely on and the article is derived from is terribly flawed. Making the conclusions from it also terribly flawed. Now I admit I'm no attorney, but I don't think it really takes one to see that.

Now the author does goes on to say the following, but even then there's some problems with some of his descriptive words and can be misleading. Things like "Many"; some obscure subjective meaning that maybe should be 99% if not all to hardly any, depending on what ever thought process is trying to be projected. Doesn't really matter though, the whole thing started out with an irresponsible beginning.

But don't discount the successes that can be had or the successes we're having with the current processes. It's going to be a tough job, I don't envy the ones that are involved in getting through this. Besides armchair quarterbacking is so much easier.


Many Russians live in a world, as presented by state-run media, where there is no war with Ukraine. Instead, their country is carrying out “a special military operation” to uproot far-right extremists in a brotherly country that went off track and has been pushed by Western countries to turn against Moscow.

The Kremlin has moved to silence most independent media in Russia, forcing some to flee or suspend operations, and others to self-censor. Russia has blocked access to social media platforms, including Facebook, and major foreign news outlets, and enacted a law to punish anyone spreading “false information” about its Ukraine invasion with up to 15 years in prison. Thousands have been arrested in recent weeks at antiwar protests, according to human rights activists.

The poll by Levada — which has been declared a “foreign agent” in Russia — was conducted among more than 1,600 people across the country, with the margin of error not exceeding 3.4 percentage points.