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Re: SidVicious post# 74148

Wednesday, 07/21/2021 11:57:13 PM

Wednesday, July 21, 2021 11:57:13 PM

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Maybe Koos is a bum, I don't know. But you have just made a number of highly questionable statements about mRNA science.

"mRNA shine is quickly losing its luster as the vaccines are showing to have serious side effects, including death, and now showing a lose of effectiveness faster than anticipated with more break through cases being reported with the Delta strain."

Disagree completely.There have been no deaths determined to come from the vaccines. There is a VERY small risk of myocarditis from the mRNA vaccines but overall they have been hugely successful given the volume. The J&J vaccine has a risk of a blood clot and there is news out that it has been determined to be less effective against delta: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/20/health/coronavirus-johnson-vaccine-delta.html. The mRNA vaccines are objectively the best bet right now. Pfizer and Moderna are 95% and 94.1% protective against severe COVID infections. J&J is 57-72% depending on which country you're in. Astra Zeneca is unclear but maybe about 79%. That's a huge difference. The information is out there and easy to find. https://www.statnews.com/2021/02/02/comparing-the-covid-19-vaccines-developed-by-pfizer-moderna-and-johnson-johnson/

"It is also now being looked at if the vaccine itself is giving rise to the variants due to how the mRNA only codes for
one spike protein allowing the virus to mutate more quickly creating new strains.
"

Totally wrong. This sounds like something from a conspiracy theory. Virus variants primarily emerge from long-term infections where they have a long time period to mutate into a more potent form. See for example: https://www.scmp.com/news/world/africa/article/3136136/woman-hiv-had-covid-19-seven-months-virus-mutated-32-times-inside. It is impossible, literally, for the vaccine to cause a rise in variants since mutations in the viral genome occur as it is copied by the viral polymerase complex, which has nothing to do with spike protein. While it is true that COVID variants sometimes have slightly different coding sequences than the spike protein in the vaccine, the difference is miniscule, and the vaccines are enough to blunt severe infection even in breakthrough cases. Very, very few people who've been vaccinated end up hospitalized.

"Natural immunity doesn't show this as the body's immune system creates a more robust immune response than it does with the mRNA vaccine."

Misleading. What's your evidence? In fact viral spike proteins are masked during infection and vaccinated individuals are reported to have significantly better antibodies against the spike protein RBD domain and the S1 subunit. Now it's true that natural immunity has the benefit of providing antibodies against the nucleocapsid, which isn't in the vaccine, but antibody levels in people with natural immunity tend to be weak to RBD, allowing the possibility of latent infection or repeat infection. Here is an article plus a PDF on this exact topic:
https://www.news-medical.net/news/20210421/Antibody-response-induced-by-mRNA-vaccination-differs-from-natural-SARS-CoV-2-infection.aspx
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.04.15.440089v4.full.pdf