I really believe that if we formed some relationship with Packwood maybe becoming their supplier this would be a game changer. And if Mike's meeting with them; wouldn't it make sense if he's trying to become their supplier of high-quality product? They wouldn't have him over just to show him what they're doing so that he can replicate it for himself. I've looked over the Packwood website and it really looks good do others have any insight on Packwood, their management and their profitability?
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