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Saturday, 04/07/2018 12:16:35 AM

Saturday, April 07, 2018 12:16:35 AM

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The trial will probably focus on the super responders but that does not mean that the others did not have a benefit. They all chose to continue with the trial. I believe the data from that continuation will shed additional light on the effects of the drug, and I believe there is a very strong chance that that data will indicate an improvement over SOC for the total population over a three year period... this is due mostly to the fact that the bar is set so low, it won't take much to show superiority.

I also believe that there will be multiple biomarkers, not just "XYZ postitive".


The problem, and it is a big problem, is that there are only a few super-responders and no placebo. I don't see how they can get any meaningful result. They may just find markers for slow AD rather than treatment effect. Anavex would have been much better served by a larger phase II with a placebo arm. The FDA is very content to have companies do Precision medicine trials -- however, if they only investigate patients who are XYZ positive then the approval will only be for XYZ patients not for everyone with AD and insurance will not cover those who are not in the genetic category. As a great example, one of the new lung cancer drugs is approved for ALK+ NSCLC, not everyone with NSCLC nor every lung cancer



RWE evidence will also be collected in the P2/3. It is being collected in the P2b extension. Avonex vs Tysabri is a bad comparison. The current SOC has little to no effect after a few months for Alzheimer's patients.

I believe that it will more like - "We know you'll sleep better and you blood pressure problem will get better, your mood will probably improve too. We don't know how much you will benefit cognitively, but it will be better than Donepezil, so let's give it a try.'



Real world experience trials are very commonly done in Phase IV and doctors kind of ignore the results as they are uncontrolled and/or nonrandomized and often too small or too variable and we always wonder if patients were selected to be in one group or another based on disease aggressiveness or other factors. As an example, if there was real world nonrandomized comparison of Avonex (weaker) vs Tysabri (stronger), chances are I would put my aggressive MS patients on Tysabri and less aggressive patients on Avonex.




I don't get your point here - this will be a pre planned adaptve P2/3. Changing protocols in a P3 is a non sequitur.


One has to be careful changing a protocol mid-study. In Phase III's there are independent data monitoring committees (independent doctors who are not recruiting patients plus statisticians). Let's say a study compared two doses and placebo but the high dose was found to have many dropouts due to toxicity. It would be reasonable for the independent data monitoring committee to pass this info on to the company. They then would likely drop the high dose (and move all high dose patients to the lower dose) and continue the study, and possibly increase the numbers to be enrolled in the now only dose and the placebo. The advantage of adapting is the study goes on and timeframes can be kept but the disadvantage is they now have less likelihood for success (assuming higher dose was more effective). Biogen just adapted their amyloid drug study by adding more patients




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