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Re: exwannabe post# 252635

Wednesday, 02/10/2016 2:40:09 AM

Wednesday, February 10, 2016 2:40:09 AM

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Quibbles:
. It would be a hell of a lot easier to read your key chart (that one with the yellow bar across the 12m group) if the 4th column was % survival as directly read off the prototype trial chart. I.E., 12 months = 39%


I agree with you. Actually I had done it that way too. Remember that I had to have the “39%” before I could break it down to month by month percentages. But if presented it that way was because:
- It was more illustrative for the process doing it month by month, and I already had got the “month to month” percentages from my previous projections for both Arms mixed

- This way I got fewer number of events. I was being conservative. If I was already impressed by the numbers in the “month by month” way, just imagine doing it as you mention... It gave me like 5 to 6 more events. (Of course, this method would be “scraping up” events that the other one would miss)


. I think you are sliding a month. I admit I always get sloppy/confused myself on this issue.


I don’t know about that. You may be right, but I took my time on this one. I have had this question in mind from the very beginning, but you see, I also have month 0 , which is the month that patients are enrolled. So month #1 means that a whole month passed by, and I consider that enrolling a patient means starting the treatment right then.

. I tend to see a few small errors that might be rounding. Would be easier to verify numbers if you addressed my first quibble.


Yes. Doing it month by month I had to use rounding of the numbers to the closest integer, otherwise I would have got half the numbers and that was way too conservative. Had it done as you mention I only had to round the numbers once, instead of the many roundings as months had that group of patients I did

Regardless, thanks for clarifying your post. I still certainly disagree about what "33%" means though.


I guess we both agree that we would need something around 150 events for the 1st look-in, regardless everything else and if you say that “my numbers” were not completely off the wall… I suppose it is not completely off the wall to believe that the number of events for the Bavi Arm might be half the numbers than the Placebo Arm.

Thanks so much for your kind reply and for paying attention to my first cumbersome post.


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