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Friday, August 07, 2015 9:03:53 PM
Here is the link… you will have to translate it.
http://portal.dimdi.de/amispb/doc/pei/Web/2613044-palde-20140601.pdf
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RK says...
No, once again, you are wrong. Recurrent GBM is included in the safety numbers. I laid this out earlier today in a past post, but you must not have read it. So once again, you are in error… any recurrent GBM patient that received DCVax IS counted in the safety numbers.
RK says...
You are right, I am resistant to it. On top of that, I don’t even know what you are trying to say here. That there were 4 rapids who were part of the 11 in the trial as of November 2008? If that's it, I don’t even see what the relevance of that is.
On the safety of the drug, there are 103 GBM patients. I posted this earlier today.
They are sorted like this:
22 newly diagnosed GBM patients from two P1s
13 recurrent GBM (can’t count the additional 5 patients with gliomas)
35 open label rapid progressor GBM
33 two/thirds or the randomized treatment portion from the 49 patients in the actual trial
= 103 patients indicated in the safety of the drug
Those 22 newly diagnosed GBM and recurrent GBM patients come from two trials: NCT00612001, and NCT00068510… where they were all treated in a variety of different combinations resulting in I believe, at least three abstracts.
From the data as presented in this German Label, it suggests strongly that by August 2012, there were 49 enrolled and randomized in the main arm of the trial.
So, as you have pointed out, the 10-Q filed on August 19, 2008 shows they had only 6 patients enrolled. Were those 6 patients randomized into the trial, or al or some put into the info arm? I don't think we can know, and I suggest you simply don’t either. Same with the 11 noted in November 2008.
What is stated by the German Label, is that 49 patients were enrolled in the trial as of August 2012. So if one accepts its veracity, and it seems to me to have credibility, than one can accept that figure may be as close as one can come to determining what the main arm enrollment was at that time.
You still haven’t proven where they have been misleading or lied. I would suggest, however, that your post, while you are not intending to be misleading, is fraught with errors, and in being so, is also misleading. It's a bit like the pot calling the kettle black.
As I wrote earlier, it is highly unlikely that the 17 you suggest who came into from the Overlook and/or NYU all went into the 35 information arm containing what were supposed to be rapid progressors, and that only three went into the trial. That ratio just doesn't jive.
I also showed in my prior post, that Bob Gibbs could very well have been enrolled in this trial if he were enrolled in May 2008 (you stated that time for enrollment… I haven’t checked it) because May 2008 is when the clinical trials history shows the double blind trial began, and it shows UCLA had been recruiting patients since March 20, 2007.
It’s a good DD to look at the SEC files… but before you go suggesting the company is being misleading, I suggest you look more carefully the other documents you are citing (the German Label), and at the clinical trials history as well, to see if whatever you are suggesting, might be in fact, wrong.
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