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Re: karw post# 39435

Saturday, 04/25/2015 9:33:51 AM

Saturday, April 25, 2015 9:33:51 AM

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In Euroland the moneymarket and bondmarket have been 'destroyed' and QE will continue for a few more years


Grabbing historic 5 year Government Eurobond yields from http://sdw.ecb.europa.eu/quickview.do?SERIES_KEY=143.FM.M.U2.EUR.4F.BB.U2_5Y.YLD and forming a 5 year ladder not marked to market i.e. the average of the current and past four years 5-year-yields (which is generally the average yearly reward you'd receive assuming each bond was being held to maturity) and the figure for current year = 2.65% 2015 return - which looks to me to be around average (somewhat similar to US, UK etc.).

Are you saying such Euro bonds aren't investable?

YYYY-MM 5YrYield 5YrLadder
1970-01 7.37 n/a
1971-01 7.54 n/a
1972-01 7.12 n/a
1973-01 7.84 n/a
1974-01 8.54 7.68
1975-01 9.60 8.13
1976-01 8.67 8.36
1977-01 10.16 8.96
1978-01 8.71 9.14
1979-01 9.12 9.25
1980-01 10.43 9.42
1981-01 11.84 10.05
1982-01 14.20 10.86
1983-01 11.75 11.47
1984-01 11.59 11.96
1985-01 9.94 11.86
1986-01 9.44 11.39
1987-01 7.91 10.13
1988-01 8.21 9.42
1989-01 8.81 8.87
1990-01 10.59 8.99
1991-01 10.98 9.30
1992-01 9.75 9.67
1993-01 9.14 9.85
1994-01 5.94 9.28
1995-01 8.60 8.88
1996-01 6.09 7.90
1997-01 4.96 6.95
1998-01 4.61 6.04
1999-01 3.30 5.51
2000-01 5.14 4.82
2001-01 4.67 4.54
2002-01 4.48 4.44
2003-01 3.40 4.20
2004-01 3.37 4.21
2005-01 2.92 3.77
2006-01 3.10 3.46
2007-01 4.02 3.36
2008-01 3.86 3.45
2009-01 3.15 3.41
2010-01 2.72 3.37
2011-01 3.64 3.48
2012-01 5.68 3.81
2013-01 1.79 3.40
2014-01 1.64 3.09
2015-01 0.48 2.65

UK gilts (equivalent) are liquid - can be sold in the secondary market. For less liquid, such as from high street banks we can buy 5 year bonds that are 'protected' (€100,000 EU wide standard protection per provider (bank group)). Spread a ladder across multiple providers increases the overall protection. Typically such bonds are fixed term, must be held for the full 5 years with no early redemption - and typically pay a higher yield accordingly.

With one bond, 20% of total maturing each year with no capital loss and rolling into higher (or lower) yields, such a ladder typically tracks inflation over time, but in a somewhat delayed like manner (takes longer to roll up, and longer to roll down).

Somewhat like having 5 year yield reward with T-Bill like risk assuming you don't need full liquidity.

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