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HP and Sendmail, Inc. today announced the results of a performance benchmark testing Sendmail's email software on industry-standard HP ProLiant servers vs. proprietary Sun systems.
FRANKFURT, Germany, LinuxWorld Expo, Oct. 31, 2002 -- HP (NYSE:HPQ) and Sendmail, Inc. today announced the results of a performance benchmark testing Sendmail's email software on industry-standard HP ProLiant servers vs. proprietary Sun systems. The results show that significant price/performance benefits and better message throughput are achievable when Sendmail's software is deploying mail and messaging solutions on industry-standard hardware running Linux, as compared to more expensive Sun servers running Solaris.(1)
Performance testing indicated that Sendmail software running on two- and four-way HP ProLiant servers with SuSE Linux Enterprise 7 and the Reiser Filesystem was significantly better than Sun servers running Solaris in message throughput, price and performance.
For example, the two-way, IA-32 HP ProLiant DL380 server running Linux outperformed and has a lower acquisition price than a two-way, 64-bit, Sun Fire 280R running Solaris. The HP ProLiant DL380 running Sendmail SwitchTM delivered 30 messages per second while a Sun Fire 280R delivered only 19 messages per second.(2) The HP ProLiant DL380 server costs $6,463 while the Sun Fire 280R costs $16,490 (price includes Veritas file system).(3)
"With this proven solution from HP and Sendmail, running Linux on ProLiant servers, MobileCom has now in its hand a highly performing and reliable email service," said Mickael Ghossein, chief executive officer of Mobilecom, a leading wireless provider in the Middle East. "This solution will allow us to serve our rapidly growing customer base with the innovative services needed to stay ahead of our competition."
Additional tests revealed that the HP ProLiant DL580 server running Sendmail Advanced Message ServerTM and Linux was capable of serving 14,000 users at approximately 100 percent concurrency (with all users logged in and working at the same time). By comparison the Sun Fire V880 server running Solaris was only capable of serving 9,000 users at approximately 100 percent concurrency. The price of the HP ProLiant DL580 server, including fibre channel storage, is $48,603 while the Sun V880, including T3 storage and the Veritas file system, is $190,095.(3)
"HP is seeing a growing number of customers adopting Linux on industry-standard HP ProLiant servers as an alternative to more expensive Sun systems running Solaris," said Judy Chavis, worldwide director of Linux, HP Industry Standard Servers. "HP is committed to providing these customers with tested, proven, Linux-based solutions, like Sendmail's email products, allowing them to deploy cost-effective, reliable Linux solutions with confidence in their enterprise infrastructure."
"Sendmail's email software on HP ProLiant servers provides customers with a secure, flexible and high-performance email solution that is optimized for Linux," said Greg Olson, chairman and co-founder, Sendmail, Inc. "This solution delivers the best price-performance when compared against Sun systems."
Fingolfen -
I'd always heard this phrase as "rabble rouser".
Kind of like For all "intensive" purposes or a tough "road" to hoe.
EP
Bonefish
Another nice try by the Elmer Phud and Greg S. crew.
Who starts these rumors? Everyone here is having dreams of AMD falling apart.
I posted a link from Bloomberg, Einstein.
EP
Dew -
I do not fully understand your reply. Are you saying that the 200->300mm transition won't happen for quite a while, or are you saying that SOI isn't the answer?
I really don't know if SOI is the answer or not, right now it's the question.
Either way, I don't think AMD will be moving to 300mm soon. Every schedule they have slips so I expect this one to slip too.
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Dew -
I want to understand as much as I can about the 200->300mm migration. I have a small holding in IBIS, which stands to benefit from the transition by selling implanters for 300mm SOI production.
I hope you're not counting on that for your retirement...
EP
United Microelectronics Falls on Report It May Scrap Venture
By Alan Patterson
Hsinchu, Taiwan, Nov. 13 (Bloomberg) -- Shares of United Microelectronics Corp., the world's second-largest maker of chips for other companies, fell after JP Morgan Chase & Co. said a venture with Advanced Micro Devices Inc. may be canceled.
United Microelectronics fell 80 cents, or 3.1 percent, to NT$25.30 as of 10:46 a.m. in Taipei.
http://www.bloomberg.com/fgcgi.cgi?T=marketsquote99_news.ht&s=APdG_1hYPVW5pdGVk
Semi -
Re: "Trial production"
I'm speculating here, I would guess the term "Trial" means that the process/Fab is still in the process of certification and the material's saleability (did I just make up a word?) is dependent on the successful completion of the qual process. I wonder what product it is?
EP
Looks like the Nannys have been active again. Subzero's post has been deleted. It had 2 valuable links and now they are gone.
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Subzero -
An old friend of Mine, Ali "ScrewDriver" Chen stopped by to say hello a few days ago. I hope more old SI regulars stop by too...
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subzero -
I think you're being a little harsh on spokeshaven. He asked a valid question and you provided links. That should be enough. No need to insult. As much as anything, I say this in hopes of keeping you in the good graces of our all seeing all knowing moderator.
EP
Semi -
With good supplies of intel's 3.06GHz about to hit the streets in a few days, it doesn't seem like it's going to be a very Merry Christmas for Jerry and Hector at all.
Stop it! You're breaking my heart....
Interesting SuperComputer Win for Intel
MICROSOFT KOREA DEVELOPS SUPER COMPUTER NAMED 'PEGASUS'
SEOUL, Nov 12, 2002 (AsiaPulse via COMTEX) -- Microsoft (MS) Korea said today it has succeeded in developing one of the world's fiftieth fastest super computers, along with Intel Corp., Seoul National University and Samsung Electronics Co (KSE:05930).
The computer, called "Pegasus", combines a clutch of separate systems operated by two central processing units through Notel's high-speed gigabit networks. Each system has 3GB memory and an 80GB hard disk drive, the company said.
Operated by Microsoft's Windows 2000, the computer also has 360 built-in Xeon processors of Intel.
MS Korea said the new gadget recorded 685 gigaflops in computer speed performance test program, Linpack, ranking among the world's top 50 super computers in terms of speed. A gigaflop, a measure of computer speed, is a billion floating-point operations per second.
The speed is about two times faster than IBM's super computer, currently considered the fastest in South Korea.
"It is cheap to set up Pegasus because it doesn't need special cooling devices so that it can be easily used not only at research centers, but at industrial workplaces," an MS official said.
(Yonhap)
wbmw -
You might want to check in with them and suggest a few scenarios.
Me?? You're better at this than I am...
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Semi -
You know, they should really consider donating this equipment to the Local College. Some of it, while not exactly cutting edge, is still usable. Here in Az, Arizona State University was able to put together a functional development fab, from cast off equipment from Motorola, MicroChip and intel.
Some of that equipment is still highly useable. Under "Final Test" they are selling of some very popular Teradyne structural testers. AMD is getting out of some business where those modern testers were used. Most likely chipsets where they would be highly applicable.
EP
wbmw -
Re: Highlights/Lowlights
I think what that's telling us is what Intel has been saying all along. For threaded applications expect to see good gains in performance. For non-threaded apps then don't expect much if any. The added good news is that unlike Win2K, XP show no performance degradation when HT is enabled for non-threaded apps. Still to be seen is the effect of HT on multiple apps, threaded or non threaded, running concurrently. New benchmarks will be needed for that. Droids will squeal to the high heavens when P4 beats Hammer.
EP
Bone -
The cache on the motherboard was called L3?
Bingo!
Don't feel bad. Nobody's perfect.
EP
Bone -
According to that chart, you're right. 256k. I thought it was 512. The extra cache was called L3
Sorry, wrong again. It was L2.
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Bone -
Well, you can argue all that quantipoints/Mhz stuff until the cows come home. The rating seem about fair to me.
You said legitimately. You can argue all that quantipoints/Mhz stuff until the cows come home. The rating seem unfair to me.
This is incorrect, the K6-3 had a 512k L2 cache.
This is incorrect, the K6-3 had a 256k L2 cache and was delayed almost as many times as Hammer. 256K is the highest AMD has ever been able to produce and that's with low fab output.
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Bone -
So AMD legitimately pulls within 100 points of Intels free spinning P4
Legitimately? I don't think so. 100 quasihurts but not legitimately.
The next big test for AMD will be getting 512k on the die. AMD has not shown they can do this without a small but significant MHz penalty
AMD has not shown they can do this with even a large penalty. AMD has never been able to produce a large cache die. With their surprisingly poor fab output, they aren't likely to readily move to larger die unless they have no other choice. Come to think of it, I guess they have no other choice.
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subzero -
AMD had two main themes from the analyst meeting yesterday - (1) substantial cutbacks in head count and R & D and capital expenditures
They also said they were cutting back on manufacturing by 40%.
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Windsock -
Not to be picky but Gordon actually transferred the intc stock to the Foundation. The difference is significant because it is a tax free transfer of the gross value of the stock. Over time, the Foundation sells the intc stock to fund its activities.
Better than tax free! Doesn't it actually result in a tax credit for Dr. Moore?
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fingolfen
Oh, now that's wierd... was AMD reading my earlier post?
I guess they were!
What concerns me is AMD's inability to accurately forecast. If they don't achieve the 20% improvement they predict where will that leave their cash position at the end of Q4? Will that cost them another $100-120 Million if the 20% doesn't materialize?
EP
From the analysts meeting:
"Also, AMD said its cash balance should not fall below $500 million during the fourth quarter. The company closed the previous period with $891 million in cash, prompting concern about the company's cash burn rate."
Sounds to me like AMD is expecting a ~$400M cash burn in Q4.
EP
Bill -
I suspect you have been acting like a child to attract the nannies attention. Nannies cannot even see adults.....
Not true! I've been a perfect Gentelman. See my discussion with Ali on the Intel thread and you'll see how polite I can be.
EP
Wbmw -
Fitch Ratings has initiated coverage of Sun Microsystems, Inc. ('Sun') and assigned a 'BBB' rating to the company's senior unsecured debt. The Rating Outlook is Negative.
What is junk bond rating?
Bill -
Many of them are here already and more will come with time.
I hope so. I miss the old gang.
Ali and I exchanged greetings but he hasn't been back - <G>
Be advised that the nannys are overactive here. Be prepared to be treated like children.
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Bone -
I had heard this but when I asked about this here, someone said Intel was out of the network business. Only making chips for it maybe. This article sounds like they are going for solutions, not just chips. "receivers" etc.
Intel is in communications in an extremely big way. Right now it's mostly chips and some of them are really far out in front of the competition. Many many design wins. When the comms market takes off you will hear about it in a very big way.
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Bone -
Who is Paul Engel? Is he a IH poster?
No though I've asked him to join.
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Bonefish -
Things are worse than I thought. The fed didn't control the bubble on the way up and now they are trying to keep it propped up. What a disaster waiting to happen.
Do you ever have a good day?
EP
1/2 Point!!!
9:58 (Dow Jones) Intel (INTC) reiterated its 4Q revenue outlook of $6.5 billion to $6.9 billion, compared with 3Q revenue of $6.5 billion. Intel also still expects gross margins in the 4Q to be about 49%, plus or minus a couple of points, which is flat with 3Q gross margins. (CD)
wbmw -
I also see that they plan on going after Cisco in the networking market. It might be a good idea to invest back in Dell
And in keeping with their no R&D business model, they will be using Intel silicon.
EP
Winsock -
Are the new processors P4 based?
Yes indeed!
EP
wbmw -
Excellent TPC-C submissions for new Xeon MP
AMD specifically said that Hammer would beat anything Intel had to offer in TCP-C but of course they refused to be specific...
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In case this wasn't posted already - Official press release
Faster Intel® Xeon™ Processors Ship For High-End Servers
SANTA CLARA, Calif., Nov. 4, 2002 - Intel Corporation is now shipping the Intel® Xeon™ processor MP with an enhanced two megabyte (MB) integrated level three cache at speeds up to 2 gigahertz (GHz). When compared to previous generation Intel Xeon processors MP, the new processor delivers up to 38 percent better performance for typical server workloads such as databases, customer relationship and supply-chain management, and further enhances scalability for the increasing demands of enterprise deployments.
Designed for mid-tier and back-end servers with four or more processors, today's Intel Xeon processor MP rounds-out Intel's delivery of industry-leading 0.13 micron process technology for its IA-32 server processor family. This technology enables smaller processors at faster speeds and allows for additional performance enhancements such as increased cache size. The new processor maintains hardware platform compatibility with previous generations, which helps reduce the cost of platform development and eases the integration of new systems in to existing enterprise infrastructures.
"Intel-based servers continue to enjoy outstanding acceptance by customers," said Mike Fister, vice president and general manager of Intel's Enterprise Platform Group. "We are committed to accelerating the introduction of innovative technologies, such as the larger cache Intel Xeon processor MP at 2 GHz, which enhance server performance, scalability and stability."
The Intel Xeon processor MP is based on the Intel® NetBurst™ microarchitecture and includes support for Intel's Hyper-Threading Technology. These features help software vendors enhance the performance of applications and operating systems running on Intel-based servers. Servers ranging from four to 32 processors and beyond using these technologies will be available from multiple vendors.
During the second quarter of 2002, Intel-based servers accounted for 87 percent of all server shipments and more than 73 percent of all four-way server shipments worldwide, according to industry analysts at IDC**. In addition, the Gartner Group forecasts that through 2007, revenues for 32-bit servers based on the Intel architecture will grow by a compounded annual growth rate of more than eight percent, which is twice as fast as the overall growth rate for the market segment. Gartner also estimated that Intel-based servers would comprise 52 percent of worldwide systems and servers' revenue in that same timeframe.***
In addition, Intel is also now sampling server platform building blocks that support the new Intel Xeon processor MP and the latest Intel networking technologies.
Pricing and Availability
The Intel Xeon processor MP at 2 GHz with 2 MB of integrated level three cache is available for Intel's suggested list price of $3,692 in 1,000-unit quantities. The Intel Xeon processor MP at 1.90 GHz with 1 MB of integrated level three cache and the Intel Xeon processor MP at 1.50 GHz with 1 MB of integrated level three cache are available for the suggested list prices of $1,980 and $1,177 in 1,000-unit quantities, respectively. Intel expects OEM and channel distributors to ship systems based on the new processor in the coming weeks.
Intel, the world's largest chip maker, is also a leading manufacturer of computer, networking and communications products. Additional information about Intel is available at www.intel.com/pressroom
Intel, Intel® Xeon, and Intel® NetBurst are trademarks or registered trademarks of Intel Corporation or its subsidiaries in the United States and other countries.
* Other marks and brands may be claimed as the property of others.
** Source, International Data Corporation Research Group, Q2'02 Data, 9/3/02
*** Source, Gartner Dataquest 08/15/02 Performance will vary based on system configuration.
Mr Chin -
Thank you very much your highness Test Engineer-III!
I am delighted to have a wonderful opportunity to hear
your deeply insigntful explanations.
Now that you are sufficiently respectful, I will respond to your pleas for help.
I see, you masterfully were able to divide 2.5Gb/s by 10
to ensure the old 1983 IBM encoding scheme to work on
bytes. I would never be able to master such high skills
without your generous help.
I'm a very helpful guy! I enjoy teaching the uninformed.
But trying to comprehend your following train of thoughts, I am becoming increasingly confused.
I know. It happens alot for you.
Besides an impication that a high-flying Test Engineer-III
should care less about woes of some low-level punk designer,
you seem to imply that the 250MHz clock is certainly a part
of the PCI_Express specifications, by the way you are contrasting an ordinary 250MHz 8b/10b logic to apparently less-challenging over-gigaherz bit-stream conversion and data scrambling.
I am not suggesting that the 250MHz clock is a part of the PCI-Express specification. I am accounting for a 250MHz clock in the system. I am not trying to contrast the 250MHz logic as more challenging than 2.5GHz(or higher) logic. Quite the contrary.
Could you please point me to any place in PCI-Express Basic
(or Card) specifications where the 250MHz clock is ever
mentioned?
No I can't and I never said it was.
EP
Mr Chin -
I see you scolded by Admin for being nasty boy. You be good now and I let you speak to me.
I see you're confused still. Not surprising. I didn't say PCI-Express has a 250MHz clock so don't put words in my mouth. I fact I said nothing about a clock because there isn't any. I was trying to be generous and help you understand but you were too bitter to understand help when you need it.
The PCI-Express bit rate is 2.5Gbps. It is 8b10 encoded so the "clock" can be derived from the data if you wish, but why bother?. (See how I was trying to help you?) As each byte appears a 10 bits, a 250MHz clock would operate the logic that does the 8b10b encoding/decoding. How the bit stream is sampled/generated to ensure correct data at 2.5Gbps is a problem the designers must address and I don't think it needs to be part of the spec. I would explain it to you but that is proprietary and besides, you wouldn't comprehend. How it is tested is just as secret and even more incomprehendable to technicians. I hope this little lesson helps you understand a little about the "clock".
Now be polite and respectful and I will help you again next time you are in over your head.
EP
Ali -
So solly to hear you in jailhouse. I was about to help you confusion honorable sir. You not understand PCI-Epless.
When you out of jail you be nice and I help. No be nasty again now. You be nice boy so no go back to jail. Me help explain.
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Bill -
Sorry, I have been barred from the Intel thread for lack of slavish perfidy and devotion
So bring some of your buddies over to this thread.
EP
Alice -
P.S. Tell your buddy Phud to shove the 8b/10b transmission
encoding in his a$$. Please tell him not to try to impress
me with Beacons, QoS, and Root Complexes.
Still the charming and endearing person we all know and love. I was only trying to help educate you on PCI-Express because I do have a deep involvement in it. Testing sort of stuff you know. Too bad but it's obviously way over your head anyway.
EP