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I don't know whether there's something to dig here, but IVG changed from MG to first colonial:
Cashed info from google:
http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:www.ivgcorp.com/corp/partR.html+MG+Securities+Group&hl=en
current:
http://www.ivgcorp.com/corp/partR.html
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Here's more info:
http://www.google.com/search?q=%22M+G+SECURITIES+GROUP%22&btnG=Google+Search
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MG Securities Group,Inc., and here below are the stocks they trade.
You will see several shares from so called "chinagate" in the rather few stocks they are trading.
http://www.otcbb.com/asp/tradeact_mv.asp?SearchBy=m&Issue=mgsg&SortBy=v&Month=2-1-2001&a...
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I'm saying that there is a reason for Hampton Porter finding NTWK - And that it may be connected to Deephaven (or others) having shares to sell. - IMO one of the ways it works on this level.
Nothing negative - Just the way it works IMO.
Coverage from named analysts - means out of the OTC shade - Institutions that do not have their eyes on the Russel index or investment strategy involving general percentages of all companies in the index, may now get their eyes on NTWK - Resulting in buyers for the stock for sale. - Again meaning that the selling may not impact negatively, and that the new coverage may not immediately impact positvely - A sort of balanced market is the result.
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It is a new level, at the same time of course also the next level of backpadding - Hampton Porter may be connected to Deephaven. But definitely new level.
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Coverage initiated - IMO also due to the Ghauris/NTWK becoming accepted on NASD.
Hampton Porter Investment Bankers Initiates Coverage Of NetSol
International Inc. With a Long-Term Buy Rating(1)
SAN DIEGO, Mar 22, 2001 /PRNewswire via COMTEX/ -- The following is being
issued by Hampton Porter Investment Bankers, a member of the National
Association of Securities Dealers, CRD number 42949:
Comments:
-- Despite the uncertainty of current macroeconomic conditions, NetSol
(Nasdaq: NTWK) continues to experience greater visibility moving
forward both in terms of contract-wins and revenues from existing
customers.
-- NetSol is well-positioned to take advantage of the significant growth
opportunities in the offshore software development markets and is
seeing substantial growth in terms of revenues and contracts within
its outsourcing Pakistanian subsidiary NetSol PK, which is the engine
of NetSol.
-- While we believe that NetSol will be somewhat flat again in the third
quarter, due largely to macroeconomic conditions which are causing a
slower sales cycle, the Company's refocus on its core competency in
software development should drive revenue growth into the fourth
quarter. We expect the Company to be positive EBITDA by Q2 2002,
showing $.03 EPS.
Outlook and Conclusion
Based upon our belief that the worst is over for NetSol in terms of flat
year-to-year revenue growth, and the Company's competitive positioning in a
vastly growing IT services and offshore consulting marketplace, we are rating
NetSol as a Long-Term Buy (speculative) and believe that the stock price over
the next 12 months will more adequately reflect the Company's business
prospects.
(1) Speculative.
For comments or a complete report, contact InverSel Consulting at 619-515-0200,
www.inversel.com.
Hampton Porter Investment Bankers
This material is for your private information, and we are not soliciting any
action based upon it. This report is not to be construed as a solicitation to
buy or sell any securities in any jurisdiction where such an offer would be
illegal. The material is based upon information that the Company considers to be
reliable but it does not guarantee that it is accurate or complete, and it
should not be relied upon as such. Opinions expressed are current opinions as of
the date appearing on this material only, and of Todd M. Pitcher. While it
endeavors to update material on a reasonable basis, the information discussed
herein, there may be regulatory, compliance or other reasons that prevent us
from doing so. Its officers, directors and employees, including persons involved
in the preparation of this material may from time to time, have long or short
positions in, and may buy or sell the securities or the derivatives of companies
mentioned herein.
SOURCE Hampton Porter Investment Bankers
CONTACT: InverSel Consulting, 619-515-0200, for Hampton Porter
Investment Bankers
URL: http://www.inversel.com
http://www.prnewswire.com
(C) 2001 PR Newswire. All rights reserved.
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KEYWORD: California
INDUSTRY KEYWORD: FIN
SUBJECT CODE: RTG
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Right - Plus as I see it - they can now sell the shares. eom
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Think I made a poor reply there SB - Deephaven got shares for the funding - Now they sell those shares.
It was I who stated "I'm not for these types....".
I prefer funding directly from the free market of investors. Actually it seems that the Deephaven funding worked like free market. JJ on SI expected the odd behavior of OTCBB funding. - I think that such no longer apply to NTWK.
Article that talk about those odd funding issues:
http://www.taylorstock.com/OTCBB1.html
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Just from memory (little time here) - I think Australia was in black in the last filing covering their part of the concern.
This Volvo gig is coming out of of the former Abraxas company in Australia.
Hearing Nejeeb focusing on the original scope - Get customers abroad and develope in Pakistan, I believe this project is done with Fred Firth in Australia and his people doing the analysis, and the people in Pakistan doing the coding.
Will hear the India clip later.....
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As I see it Deephaven simply registered to sell the stock.
Someone knowing better, please inform us.
Look in recent filing.
http://www.freeedgar.com/search/ViewFilingsData.asp?CIK=1039280&Directory=912057&Year=01&...
Selling parties:
Deephaven Private Placement Trading Ltd.601,731
Jesup & Lamont Securities Corporation 23,144
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You might also ask either of below Company internal legal advisor, or the new external one:
MALEA FARSAI, ESQ.
GENERAL COUNSEL
NETSOL INTERNATIONAL, INC.
24025 PARK SORRENTO, SUITE 220
CALABASAS, CALIFORNIA 91302
(818) 222-9195
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COPIES TO:
KAREN C. GOODIN, ESQ.
Riordan & McKinzie
600 Anton Boulevard, 18th Floor
Costa Mesa, CA 92626
(714) 433-2900
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As far as I understand it, it would mainly be on the data entry (via Internet) and handling of finance agreements the enhancements for Volvo trucks are made.
I believe it is lorries primarily.
I don't know whether also constructions machinery is part of Volvo Truck out there.
Outside Australia the new ways (know how) of these software enhancements may also form base for further development at Mercedes. IMO
Last thing I heard on CFS (from CFS around the time of the merger there in England) was that they expected to continue cooperation with NetSol. Here in my neck of the world, I know that NetSol recently directed a customer for a fleet-management systems to talk with CFS, so IMO NetSol is taking their part of that cooperaton serious.
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OT: Happy for you being better - plugged and unrestricted is better than unplugged and restricted - but leave the bike outside
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Regarding recent news - One of the differences from general automotive "Cars" to Trucks is to be able to cope with the customers varied cash flow over the year - Here we call it step-contracts, the customer can pay a different amount each month, quarter etc over the year - I believe that's one of the gigs that Volvo required - With that being solved, the same system is also very applicable to the agricultural machinery financing, which is also quite huge.
So the newsbit does IMO show progress.
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NetSol International Completes Project for Volvo Finance Australia; Deal Adds to Growing Base of Leasing and Finance Customers
CALABASAS, Calif., Mar 20, 2001 (BUSINESS WIRE) -- NetSol International
(NASDAQ:NTWK;www.netsol-intl.com) today announced that NetSol Abraxas, its Australian subsidiary, has implemented a trucking leasing and finance software program for Volvo Finance Australia. The program was developed exclusively for Volvo Finance Australia to meet the specific needs of the trucking industry.
NetSol, which currently provides leasing and finance software for various global divisions of Daimler Chrysler, Mercedes Benz and GMAC, used its programming expertise to streamline complex trucking lease and finance procedures. Volvo Finance Australia's 30 dealerships will use the new web-based system to quickly and efficiently calculate payments, submit applications, and process contracts for customers.
"Selling trucks is a different process from selling cars," said Tor Bowen, managing director of Volvo Finance Australia. "While we were well aware of the benefits that technology brought to car financing and those dealers, we couldn't find anything developed for the intricacies of trucking industry. With NetSol as our partner, we were able to develop a system for our dealerships that is very sophisticated, but also user-friendly."
NetSol-Abraxas had previously worked with Volvo Finance Australia to develop software for its automotive leasing and finance division. With both the automotive and trucking projects, NetSol was able to create software for Volvo Finance Australia that eliminated the duplication of information input associated with a paper-based system. Volvo Australia is confident that this efficiency will result in significant back-office savings.
"Our team was very excited that Volvo Finance chose NetSol for this project based on their satisfaction with the system we developed for their automotive division," said Fred Firth, managing director of NetSol Abraxas. "NetSol-Abraxas has established itself as the country's leading leasing and finance software provider, and we are confident that our high quality development skills and dedication to our customers will result in more contracts during the year ahead."
NetSol International CEO Najeeb Ghauri agreed, saying: "The addition of another blue chip customer such as Volvo validates the high quality of NetSol's software development offering. We are moving forward to more actively market our products to additional leading companies in Western markets, which we are confident will result in higher revenues and profitability for NetSol."
About NetSol International Inc.
NetSol International Inc. is an ISO-9001 certified software developer in the global information technology industry. With an international workforce of more than 400 employees, NetSol specializes in software development, proprietary and asset-based leasing and finance programs, IT consulting, and creation of eBusiness and Web-based solutions for a growing list of blue chip customers worldwide. Clients include Daimler Chrysler Taiwan; Mercedes Benz Financing, Australia; Mercedes Benz Leasing, Thailand; Volvo Finance Australia; International Decision Systems, Inc.; St. George Bank, Australia; GMAC in Australia, Debis Portfolio Systems, U.K., Voicestream, Prism Inc, USA, Global One, USA and Clinical Interactions. For more information about NetSol and its subsidiaries, visit the company's web site at www.netsol intl.com.
Safe Harbor Statement
This release contains forward looking statements relating to the development of the Company's products and services and future operation results, including statements regarding the Company that are subject to certain risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those projected. The words "believe," "expect," "anticipate," "intend," variations of such words, and similar expressions identify forward looking statements, but their absence does not mean that the statement is not forward looking. These statements are not guarantees of future performance and are subject to certain risks, uncertainties and assumptions that are difficult to predict. Factors that could affect the Company's actual results include the progress and costs of the development of products and services and the timing of the market acceptance
CONTACT: Cramer-Krasselt (for NetSol)
Amy Dolnick, 312/616-3823
adolnick@c-k.com
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This is sort of a wild guess - So pure imagination !!
Let's say that there are a new advisor - Ghauris want a clean house - there has been this and that of more or less explainable actions in the market - We know about BW, but there has indeed been other odd actions too - I can imagine that such new advisor might see the change of TA, and new certs as a remedy to balance the books.
I never experienced the situation before, cannot speak about short term reactions - On a little longer term though, as all the paperworks are updates, I'd say that there's a clean house there, which can only be a positive effect IMHO.
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( BW)(CA-NETSOL-INTNL)(NTWK) NetSol International, Inc. Alert
Business Editors
CALABASAS, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--March 15, 2001--Effective March 1, 2001, NetSol International, Inc. (NASDAQ:NTWK)(www.netsol-intl.com) changed its transfer agent to American Stock Transfer and Trust Company. NetSol International, Inc. also recently created a new stock certificate, which can be received within 45 days after mailing old certificate(s) to:
American Stock Transfer and Trust Company
Transfer Department
59 Maiden Lane
New York, NY 10038
Shareholders with any questions are encouraged to contact American Stock Transfer and Trust Company at (800) 937-5449 or www.amstock.com.
About NetSol International Inc.
NetSol International Inc. is an ISO-9001 certified software developer in the global information technology industry. With an international workforce of approximately 450 employees, NetSol specializes in software development, proprietary and asset-based leasing and finance programs, IT consulting, and creation of eBusiness and Web-based solutions for a growing list of blue-chip customers worldwide. Clients include Daimler Chrysler Taiwan; Mercedes Benz Finance, Australia; Mercedes Benz Leasing, Thailand; International Data Systems; St. George Bank, Australia; GMAC in Australia, Debis Porfolio Systems, U.K, VoiceStream Wireless, Sun Microsystems and Clinical Interactions. For more information about NetSol and its subsidiaries, visit the company's web site at www.netsol-intl.com.
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CONTACT: Cramer-Krasselt
Amy Dolnick, 312/616-3823
adolnick@c-k.com
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Volatility - will remain for some time IMO. - Float is still small.
Just for the record - I'm not making any recommendations.
I have no position in NTWK - FWIW I haven't traded NTWK since last year same time, where I was long for a short period and at a gain. Anything else that may be said is just frustrations being projected.
I and a few friends feel we have been rewarded by the experience and knowledge we have obtained while following the NTWK stock.
Darn missing that spelling checker - In previous post:
clouds not coulds
too many sss's ses in some places.
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The main news in the interview, as has already been said here, is the refocussing on development.
Some of this could already be seen in the registration statement of Feb.2.2001, as there was no mention of the ISP.
The development of ASP and ASP like systems for customers IMO continue. There is a huge market for such systems, not only in the finance and automotive branches.
NetSol just won't become an ASP themselves, such as we at a time expected.
What impact the refocus has on the NetSol UK business, which to my knowledge very much is focussed on hardware, networks and facility management, is unclear.
Debt free was mentioned too - The Deephaven funding, isn't considered debt, as shares was the base. The S-3 filing of March 14. show that.
IMO they are shaking all the trend hype of them.
They are showing that they want to act professional in respect to funding (no odd debentures and such stuff), and as such also blowing the dark coulds of odd moneymarket away.
(Imagine no more OTC BS. No Khan, No Shannon)
Based on the interview and the recent filings, IMO, they are becoming a real shared company. Suitable for long term investors. Najeeb IMO also clearly stated that.
The risks fell out of the line of answers, but they are also clearly (as legaly necessesary, very clearly) stated in the recent filings.
Sincere people building a sincere business is the clear undistorted impression now.
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Of course we could meet RR again, and there may be bashing when/if the major short position cover, and there may be impact from actions/reactions in the BW funds. These, I believe, are now all factors outside the company.
Some might think that BW perhaps could claim something based on the new focus - IMO They can't, as the focus now is exactly what was their point for entering.
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On topic Hi and thread - I'm sure we are all happy to see you here Philippe, read the RB post about slow recovery - now CT isn't exactly the best antioxidant, waiter, real fresh orange juice for that old man there - Yup otter knows.
The smart gig here is that OT's directed at a single person can be taken via the link up on the right of the frame, called Private message - The other smart gig is the ability to kick spam and advertizing posts. That is what will be kicked out, together with personal attacks. ON topic pro or con info and opinions will not be kicked by me, as it is all a part of the info and opnion exchange. Examples are what SBA said of bear input on RB, or what 3Diesels and his gang touted about going to 300. I have no responsiility to what people may post of messages here. IHUB has an overruling role though, those are the ones to contact if anyone has any claim.
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I will as soon as I'm back at my own computer, and have heard the Interview. Would(Should) not install realplayer here where I am. At a customer, just checking in during idle waits.
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Najeeb, interview:
Likely that many of you need to download newer version of realplayer - link to download is on the page there if needed:
http://www.wallstreetreporter.com/interviews/mar/13/NetsolInternational.htm
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Thank you - Just using the logic mind I was given, and sharing findings and thoughts. Due to English not being my native language, things I express may be more clear and simple, thus enlightening for all.
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OT - Shpsup, Interesting option of use you found there. eom
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No haven't heard - Not strange IMO - I'd consider it good news.
The reason - As the organization grows the need for dividing tasks and spreading responsibility grows too.
The Ghauri gents have each their force. My immediate take has always been that none of them had the experience of top management and leadership in a large organization, and that there would be the need for such a top international managerial character. If you have been around for a while, you'll remember posts from RB around half a year back, where I mention "the challenge" they had. I'm sure they will release it in due time.
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IMO the 3 may be right for now - Some more acquisition like the one we have just seen - Some reports on other progress - significant exposure (not the hype crows) - next 10Q.
Individual short side seem to have covered.
I don't think the long term short side covered or need to cover.
The really long side (BW) IMO must wait for better days, and have the consent of their participants. Just guessing, I do not know anything there.
Nothing changed that should stop the volatility IMO.
The volatility need the trading to show.
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Good line of guessing there -
Bottoline IMO: First anything but toxic funding - Second the other issues discussed.
I do like todays action - proves that a part of the market can find ATEL.
Kr - and a nice week-end to all
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Good question - Thoughts on todays news ?
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Jerome, do you have a link to the transcript. ?
Anyway, I know that I'm definitely not alone with my impression, and in addition I did buy before that CC.
Here is what is said on the matter in this present thread header:
In the year 2000, AccessTel's VoIP Gateways Division expects to achieve revenues of $5.5 million with earnings of $1.2 million. Projected revenues for 2001 for VoIP and wireless divisions are $38 million and an earnings of $11 million. In addition AccessTel's Utility Monitoring Division could potentially contribute additional overall revenue of over $30 million with estimated earnings of over $8 million for year 2001.
Do not tell me that you aren't seriously disappointed with the recent 8K financial information. We have all been seriously misinformed there is absolutely no doubt about that.
If you cannot agree to that, then (I'm sorry Jerome) I have to count you among the much better informed insiders, that could have clarified such points way back!!!
What should my attitude toward, and expectations to, the information about the future of AccessTel be ? - That isn't an easy question.
Is this misinformation alone coming from Bockler and Markow (I did take special notice to his words in the CC transcript you provided, quite a powerfull statement he makes there) - Or did they all agree to let us have it this way ?
One thing is for sure - I'm not just bending over !!!
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Jerome, What is your take - We spend some 25MM shares acquiring AccessTel - promo material mentioned that the combined assets would be 4MM$ - Promo material show the VOIP POP's as Accesstel property.
Chang and Zheng both among those who sold Accesstel to the SHPS/AMCI shell.
Are the VOIP over ATM POPs Accesstel property or not ?
If not - perhaps not lies, but indeed very misleading information in the material IMO.
Thoughts ?
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To prevent any misunderstanding - The new website ATEL is talking of launching - Is not a product of mine.
My previous post stating I'd do one - was meant as a fun remark.
But I do appreciate that our concerns are being seriously handled.
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The board is open for discussion.
This is a test due to info on yahoo, that it is not funcioning.
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Easy to get a certain degree of paranoia - Yet, the SEC do the announcements on a regular basis, and this one was no different than earlier. It is a coincident - The case was shut in the period since last announcement from the SEC.
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The new web-site IMO isn't much better than the old. YUK
I think I'll copy the pics and texts and build a proper one and send it to Sharon with a bill of 100$ for the one-hours work.
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A slap and an order to cease-and-desist. Actually not much compared to many others that violated the same section.
But certainly show that he was not updated on the rules, as an recommending analyst should be.
I don't see that as a problem for his CFO job in ATEL.
Reknown Analyst (SEC known hyper) isn't one of the points one would use when advertizing for a CFO.
What I would like to know is what his credentials to have a CFO job are at all.
Education, Experience ..... (Credibility),,, etc.
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5 parties huh ? - 2 parties cannot agree in most parts of the world - so what are the chances here ? - Get real
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The better market condition is there, as there is much cash in portfolio managers books.
Regarding 2 weeks - it is 2 weeks ago that the Transfer Agent said 20MM+ shares OS - So at least 2 weeks passed since the shares were registered !!!!
It will be a major bummer for Lee, Liang and Bockler, if they don't get this deal in the air. I know for a fact that I'm not alone with that opinion. I'm told that some reporters covering the industry are following it closely, not reporting yet.
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accesstel / Unicom ?
Try ticker CHU - NYSE:CHU China Unicom.
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OT: Yeah, right - I better start posting some QCOM stuff eom
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OT - Thinking of which posts are the right ones to have removed on boards.....
http://www.businessweek.com/@@x@La5mUQRfBZMwgA/premium/00_42/b3703126.htm
With the botomline:
Still, unless you go out of your way to create a stir in a stock's trading, the SEC isn't going to target you.
Fraudsters, on the other hand, always have you in their sights, hoping you'll fall for their anonymous tips. On the Web, what you read is far more likely to get you into trouble than what you write.
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"THE FOUNDING ARCHITECTS OF FREEDOM ARE ROLLING IN THEIR GRAVES
BY LES L. FRENCH
A Dade County, Florida, federal circuit court judge, Judge Eleanor Schockett, speaking of anonymous message board posters, recently declared, 'Give them anonymity and nothing holds them back. That's why the Ku Klux Klan wears hoods.' The judge went on to say that 'Free Speech' applies only to 'responsible' speech. I suppose that she has appointed herself to determine just exactly what speech falls under the category of 'responsible'.
Allowing the Ku Klux Klan to wear hoods is what makes the United States the greatest nation in the history of the earth. Our tolerance for freedom of thought and free expression of opinion, no matter how offensive to some, guarantees our defense against tyranny and oppression. But to the extent that we permit or allow the government to dictate what opinion we can or cannot express through comment, and therefore by derivitive to compel thought, we have submitted to oppression. The basic freedoms of the 'Bill of Rights' protects the minorities against the majorities.
Obviously, the contempt that this particular federal judge has for the United States Constitution, and the principles on which it stands, sends a clear signal that our legal system is in disrepair, and that our democratic model of freedom is in jeopardy. A passive attitude by the American public will not defend our First and Fourth Amendment rights which are presently under attack.
Clearly, Judge Schockett missed a history lesson somewhere along the way. Many of the great founding Fathers of our American Constitution... Benjamin Franklin, Alexander Hamilton, John Jay, James Madison, and many others, published their philosophical and political works anonymously. Following the institution of the Constitution, and indeed, the institution of our federal governement including the federal courts, while many political critics considered the 'American Dream' to be nothing more than a floundering experiment, Hamilton, Jay, and Madison anonymously authored and published a series of documents known as 'The Federalist Papers'. The publishers, concealing their true identities for decades, left the exact authorship of some of these articles in doubt, even today. Publishing under the pseudonymn 'Plubious', the retired President Madison, confessing his role in the publications after Hamilton and Jay had long since died, could not recall for certain the actual author of each document.
Unfortunately, anonymous publishing has not played a significant role in American political thought during the past century, the tradition of 'The Federalist' long since forgotten. But the advent of the Internet is changing the significance of anonymous publishing of thought and commentary. Throughout the Internetís public news groups and message forums, the common man has suddenly become imbued with powers of communication previously reserved only to the press, the government, and big corporations. In fact, two of these three institutions, government and corporations, and to a degree, the press, have long enjoined a monopoly in the ability to express and promote their own propaganda and agenda.
One big problem, however: at least one cateory of these groups, public corporations, is having difficulty coping with this Re-birth of Freedom to the common man. Not used to being challenged to dialogue with their critics and shareholders, public corporations are unconfortable at being held accountable for their actions in public forums accessible by at least one third of the earth's population. What was it, again, that Judge Schockett was saying about 'responsibility'? The fact is, Freedom of Speech is no longer a one way street.
In response to 'protect' themselves against this new-found power of their shareholders and critics, these companies default to doing what they have always done worst: they sue their investors and critics with frivolous lawsuits. These lawsuits are frivolous because the matter has long since been decided: the First and Fourth Amendents guarantee free speech, and anonymous free speech. Anonymous speech has long been upheld by the Supreme Court as protected speech, even though some consider the publication to be 'defamatory'. These lawsuits, often called SLAPP (Strategic Litigation Against Public Participation) lawsuits, are failing, and it is just a matter of time before the legislative bodies adopt stricter rules to ban them altogether.
The Founding Architects must be rolling in their graves after the comments and actions of Judge Schockett. But in their wisdom, they foresaw that Free Speech itself is the balancing act against political and commerical domination. We must not allow our most precious freedoms to be trampled upon. For these are the extreme values that our forefathers fought and died for. Sometimes, the sacrifice must be great, but the reward is abundant. For it was Alexander Hamilton, one of the early anonymous publishers of The Federalist articles, who, as a model for the modern anonymous poster, wrote, 'Give me liberty, or give me death.' (© 2000 Les L. French)"
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http://www.siliconinvestor.com/stocktalk/msg.gsp?msgid=14532371
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OT: JJ - So what you say is that Herzog or Sharp works against this entity, and that Errol is their instrument ? - Did I get that right ? - Why would they do so ?
A link to consorship thoughts: http://www.eff.org/pub/Censorship/
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OT: Slash_it - Admit it - even you have been shaken by some of the things errol dug up - Only you would rather have had it privately than in "public" here.
In addition, a) there is nothing as a "fairly democratical fashion" - AND - b) The right of free speech is beyond democracy, it is the fundament for democracy. Remove it and there is no democracy.
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