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"This is the only reason Kim has all those voting shares."
well that and a possible reverse split with a move over to nasdaq coinciding with a good amount of dilution...and maybe doing some deals that some may not like or with entities spome may not like...
i dont know how India does business, but they may prefer a situation where the ceo / founder has full control and really cant be contested...especially if they are going to invest money or do the buyout...
something like that might light a fire under the US gov or military's butt...they would need to get off their ass and start making things happen or lose out...
how about in the case of a buyout, a bidding war starts between dupont and India's Tata..
theres all kinds of possibilities that could come up that would require swift moves and approvals....at least on the OTC...on nasdaq, it'll be much harder...actual shareholder meetings will be required as well as a BOD...he can have all the shares and votes that he wants, but it will be harder for him to have his way...
im not opposed to a r/s as long as we are at one buck or more and it means a move over to nasdaq...nor would i be against a reasonable amount of dilution at that time...
if we are on nasdaq at 10 bucks a share, mass producing, selling product, generating revenue, being marketed and becoming known, then the r/s and dilution would be offset by the increased investments from institutions and large investors....
yea i know im all over the place, but i see all these things as possibilities...many of them are probabilities...and while they present certain problems, they are good problems to have to deal with...
Some here want to point out that a $1 pps means a market cap of $1 bil and they are afraid that market cap isn’t justifiable…
If people want shares, they will have to pay for them…when a market cap of $500 mil is justifiable, the market cap could already be well past $10 bil….
I thought nvda was priced high at $70 per share…then AI became all the rage and in no time it was $975 per share…
And many will tell you it’s still cheap compared to where it’s headed…
Go figure
At this point with this kind of tech and company, the pps isn’t tied to earnings or PE’s or market caps or anything else…
Down the road when things are more established, sure, the pps will get tied to all those things…
But as long as there is growth and the potential for more growth exists, and the demand for the product exceeds kblb’s ability to keep up with it, the pps can go way way up to the point of stupid high…
Ummm…not 3 bucks a share…I’ll get interested at 5 bucks…I’m good with 7 or above…
for someone who boasts about being in the stock for 20 yrs and always rags on about traders, it really makes no sense why you analyze every penny up and down on an hourly basis....
and i might add, do it so horribly...lmao
when fcel won the lawsuit against that s.korean company, hedgehog was ecstatic that fcel would be able to sell hundreds of millions of dollars worth of product throughout all of s. korea...
i remember shaking my head as many others joined in the celebration...i then posted that in order to understand what would happen, you have to understand the koreans and how they do business...you cant just think like an american and assume everyone else will follow you or think like you do...
the koreans value loyalty, trust and saving face is huge...fcel embarrassed them with the lawsuit...right or wrong, it is what it is....i said it would be YEARS before they did any business with s.korea...even the things they were contractually ordered to do in the lawsuit werent done when expected...they did the bare minimum business with fcel that they had too....there has been no new business other than replacement of parts that were required to keep the fuel cells they had functioning...
now we are starting to again hear hedgehog talk about all the new business that fcel will get from s. korea....i dont know if enough time has passed or not...korea clearly intends to move forward with fcels, hydrogen etc...im not too sure if they are ready to do business with fcel again though...
as i said when the lawsuit was won, fcel lost more than they won...they just didnt know it at the time...
“Hey just wondering, why do you think there will be a buyout? ”
Because 5 bucks per share would make him a billionaire and 100 bucks per share would squeak him into the top 100 of billionaires…
How much is enough?…
And because he would get some pretty sweet incentives, consultation fees and probably a large chunk of shares from the company that buys them…
It’s more money than he and generations after him could ever spend…
How much is enough?…
I have been here trading Kblb off and on since early 2011…I have made a lot of money doing that, particularly when it ran to .50…
For all that time up until about a couple of years ago, I urged that investors trade the stock and not own it…
It didn’t matter to me what the ceo or anyone else said…I rely on the available info and common sense…along with the charts…I would have relied on the fundamentals, but Kblb didn’t have any…and personally, I NEVER trust ANY ceo or executive of any company…no matter who they are or what company it is…
“ Having been burned by his announcements on multiple occasions, I’m not so easily trusting what he says now. ”
You don’t have to trust…you should look at what has changed, what progress has been made, all the legit expert personal involved and WILLING to be involved, the silk produced, the countries and entities who should have knowledge of what is going on who have climbed on board the Kblb train…
There is simply too much evidence and proof that Kblb is headed toward success to wallow in bitterness…you were trusting when you shouldn’t have been and now you are distrusting when everything including common sense is telling you that you shouldn’t be…
“ You think I should simply abandon the past.”
Yes…that’s exactly what I am saying…get over it…in the end, it’s not on Kim, it’s on you…
“ It was probably produced at Prodigy ”
Sickzone stated that the 25 kilos was not made at prodigy or GSS…
“Of course there's always seeking alpha. They like to put a negative twist on everything with their amateur authors that always say something inaccurate.”
Wow…I can’t believe you have the nerve to say that about an entity whose opinions about fcel have been fairly accurate as opposed to your opinions which have been absolutely horrible…
“55 million shares traded at 8:47 a.m.. ”
Speaking of inaccuracies…
“The hope of money. The recognition that a failure on the part of KBLB won’t negatively affect the VSA.”
This has been the case for many years when Kblb was refused entry and recognition…Now they have both…my question is, what changed?…something surely must have…Vietnam and VSA work closely together…they know what Kblb can do…their outlook on Kblb has changed to very positive…but you believe it has changed simply on a whim?…a flip of the coin and Vietnam decided “oh what the hell, let’s just go for it”?…
“As for being onboard, I’ve probably owned my block of shares longer than you have.”
And you seemed to regret that greatly for a very long time…and to some extent, still do…
I have owned share for a couple years…and have never regretted it…I am in fact, VERY hopeful of kblb’s success…and I express that vision in my posts…
“What would Exxon buy is for at the moment, $4.00 per share??”
Research some previous buyouts…you will see that the buyouts occur at some fraction of the current pps…offers 50% above the current pps are rare and sky high… that would place a buyout for fcel at $1.75…
To be sure, you can find the very very rare occasion where a buyout was done at 2 or 3 times the current pps…but that won’t happen for fcel and even if it did, it would help some but most will still lose money even on that extremely high valuation…
If there has been and still isn’t any proof and the whole thing could still fail, then why, after all these years of holding back, did Vietnam allow Kblb into Lam Dong?….and why after all these years, has the VSA decided to fully endorse Kblb?…
After waiting all these years for proof, why have they both gone all in with Kblb?…why would they have accepted a 24 month plan if they were unsure if Kblb could do anything at all even if given 24 yrs?…
Imo, there’s has been a short term plan implemented that has proven successful and a long term plan (BAM1) that, based on current success, is deemed to also succeed…
VSA and LAREC have been working closely with Kblb and they along with Vietnam have been reluctant, for years, to approve of much that Kblb has done…but now, suddenly, they are all in…and as you seem to believe, it is all based on nothing?…
Or is it possible that because VSA and LAREC have worked so closely with Kblb and would surely know what the situation is, that their endorsement of Kblb is far more meaningful than you give it credit for…
As for Kim not saying anything about production, he showed you a picture of 25 kilos that was produced using updated production methods and protocols as well as an updated worm…
If you choose to believe that kim simply sat on his hands after that and decided to just wait for BAM1, then that is on you…
Kim has already shown production and the results which are proof that the new methods and protocols work…
Vietnam is all in…they don’t appear to share your trepidation…
You are standing on the tracks at the curve…you can hear the train coming, whistle blowing, the tracks rumbling, the railroad experts are telling you that you are about to be run down, but you won’t move because you can’t see the train and have decided there’s no proof it’s coming…
Lol
“I believe that the correct price was $6 million dollars and a $60 million dollar 5 year research contract. Not bad for a company on the verge of bankruptcy and being threatened with delisting from the NASDAQ.”
Yup…like I said…fcel had what they were interested in and paid to get their hands on it…and over the years they have worked together to improve the tech…
Exxon has all they need from fcel…their interest in fcel continues as long as fcel can continue to make improvements and share them with Exxon…
“The fact of the matter is that Carbon Capture is WAY more important to Exxon (who need the technology to save their massively carbon polluting refineries)”
Exxon had been researching CC long before they hooked up with fcel…but fcel did bring something to the table and that was all well and good…but any research developments that has been accomplished in the last 6 yrs has been done via a JDA…there isn’t anything that fcel has or can do that Exxon can’t…
“Also, the fact that Exxon is willing to grant FCEL the right to market the improved carbon capture technology to anyone reflects how much Exxon needs FCEL expertise in the area.)”
I disagree…the idea that Exxon has allowed fcel to go seek their fortune with the tech tells me they really don’t much care what fcel does…if they felt like fcel was really important to them, they would have signed them to a contract to lock them in rather than give them the ok to go do whatever they want..
Exxon keeps stringing fcel along for pennies and peanuts just in case they come up with something useful…
Exxon also needs fcel to be the face of the failure if things don’t work out or go according to plan…
"IDK. I thought this signed agreement would raise PPS. Something is still off here."
everyone thinks that there are lot s of investors out there with their eye on kblb...i dont think there is...there are a lot of investors who may understand that spider silk is the holy grail, but there are too many companies, universities, countries and researchers who all want to claim that they have the upper hand with their particular approach...and kblb is just one of them...
shareholders understand what we have, what has been accomplished and just how important that pr was...but most people havent got a clue...they are just waiting for production...
i have been looking to invest in a green energy company...specifically, hydrogen, carbon capture etc...i have had my eye on a number of them that i thought might be good opportunities...but one by one they have all proved that they would have been bad investments...im sure theres probably a small company out there that has bitchin tech that will explode in price once they finally come into their own...but im only looking at nasdaq stocks priced in the dollars per share...
i have made NO attempt to concern myself with any penny stocks on the otcbb when it comes to green energy...certainly not an 8 cent stock with never before utilized, brand new, unproven tech...i have heard of a number of them from various sources...its possible one of them might be a hit....but i have given none of them a second glance...
this is the category that kblb is in...the spider silk industry might be on some investors radar...but 8 cent penny stocks are not...
“ They are still crawling. Gotta crawl before walking right ?”
Kblb been crawling for 13 yrs…time to stand up and get going…to hell with walking…I want them to go from crawling to a full out sprint…
“ Kim and company are there inking new relationships that will help build the needed logistics and growing infrastructure. It’s not built yet though.”
I think it IS built…we may want to change a few things gradually, but the infrastructure is already there and has existed for a very long time…what we are going to do is step in and start using it for ourselves…maybe we nudge someone out or not…but whatever…
“ BAM will need time to scale up”
That’s not going to take more than the end of summer…maximum…I think it will be sooner…
“ BAM will need time to scale up , and that won’t start until after the trial is completed and shown successful.”
Imo, it’s pretty much all the same process…the trial and scaling up is just the beginning and natural progression…they really are not 2 different things…
Your quote from a prior post:
“and the key fact that we can NOW market the technology with anyone”
First of all, no one ever said fcel GAVE the tech away…they sold for 10 pieces of silver…
yes they can market the tech, since they requested that Exxon allow them to do so and Exxon gave them permission…
does that sound like the tech is solely theirs?….
Btw, where’s that $300 mil that Exxon was going to give fcel when they signed the new contract with them?…you know, the contract that you felt so sure about with high confidence?…
The caption at the beginning of the pr refers to Vietnam….when Kim is talking about all the wonderful things that Kblb will be able to do, he refers to s/e Asia…I think that message was not meant for shareholders…it is meant for s/e Asia…Kim’s subtle way of trying to lure Chinas business partners toward Kblb…
I care about my shares and that the pps rises…the better the company does, the better the pps will be…
I don’t care about anything else you said nor the dipshit you are talking too…
i dont know for a fact that kblb has been in production for several months in vietnam or not...but the info is that they have...and it makes sense...why make 25 kilos and then just stop...especially when you are using updated production methods and are using an upgraded DS worm...it isnt Bam 1, but it also isnt the old DS worm...at least thats my understanding...
"their failure to disclose this information is reckless, irresponsible, and unreasonable."
i can remember when kim was keeping everyone updated frequently because many begged for timely updates....and when things didnt turn out well, many were suggesting that kim should just not say anything until it was actually done...they said updating like he did was reckless, irresponsible and unreasonable...
and when he doesnt update, hes being reckless, irresponsible and unreasonable...so maybe hes decided to do whatever he wants since he cant please everyone anyway?...its certainly what i would do...
"Why on earth would KBLB be accomplishing the milestone they believed they could reach nearly a decade ago"
Bam1 is the worm they will use going forward...they havent done it with Bam1 yet...maybe he thinks doing with something other than what you intend to use going forward isnt what he wants to announce...
"OK, so I can be attacked dozens of times and called all sorts of derogatory names"
well, you could stop being a dickhead...but i dont think you see that as an option...
"with an annual salary of $447,915 for the year ended December 31, 2023. In order to conserve Company resources, the CEO agreed to accrue a majority of his salary."
"Do you not understand that there's an Ignore button?"
the same goes for you.....if you dont like what im saying then YOU USE IT!....
but instead, you come on here and post your objections to me just like i did to webshitter...
"Anyone that really does not give 2 shits would use it."
then by all means, YOU use it...but i think ill just keep doing wtf i want...
and you want to pretend to be the victim...LMAO!...
"So when the devil makes up a good-sounding lie, you should just agree with him?"
the devil?...LMAO...this is EXACTLY what im talking about...
you post that kblb is a scam run by a douchebag con man and shareholders are fools to buy even one share of the stock...you say the same thing in many different colorful ways 10 or 15 times a day EVERY freakin day...
do you not understand that EVERYONE knows OTC stocks are long shots?...but many have stayed here holding shares on the hope that something may happen anyway...do you not understand that nobody gives 2 shits for the opinions you post 10 times a day?...
and now you want to play the victim???....are you shitting me?...LMAO
how about you just STFU
"I look at both sides all the time."
and then you go a completely one sided harangue...smh
"Because this board isn't about me."
you were asked what your motivation was...dont hide behind bullshit...man up...you always refuse to answer...the only conclusion to me is that you are either paid or are just a miserable POS...
"I understand that the main strategy of the rah rah pumpers is to attack anyone and everyone that question or oppose KBLB."
there are many who pose questions or address certain issues they consider to be problematic...as long as those issues are of a nature thats fairly current, i doubt anyone sees a problem with that...its only when you and yours want to address issues that occured 5 or 12 years ago or address statements made 5-12 years ago and do it daily that you become insufferable...the constant copy and paste adds nothing to this board..the chicken little bullshit adds nothing...95% of the issues you harangue about are things NO ONE gives a crap about...you refuse to admit seeing any progress trying to refer to any progress as "wash rinse and repeat"...you pretend to represent yourself as objective but you are anything but...
when someone is asked why they are here, everyone gives an answer....when you are asked, you always reply that its not about you...if i were paid to bash, thats exactly the answer i would give...i wouldnt my lies to be documented...so best to just pivot and pretend to take the high road...
"There is a name for that - character assassination."
pretty hard to assassinate someones character when they act like an asswipe...you assassinate your own character...
"It might work for some, but won't work against me."
of course not...why would it if you are paid...unless you are just a miserable POS...
100% agree...
Think about it…there is no one named truth on this board….just someone named truism…although his alias used to be truth and many here still refer to him that way…
But maybe he actually meant that truth is a tool…not referring to a person…
"Hi Webslinger , I’ve appreciated your posts."
seriously?..
"It’s always nice to have a bear present the other side."
agreed...but no one needs a shit head bear...
"The one I’m most concerned about , as you’ve pointed out , is that the company still holds no patents after all their years."
personally, i think patents are a joke now...every site i go to, the posters brag about the thousand patents their company has...and yet, they are still being crushed by other companies with THEIR thousand patents and companies that often times dont have any patents at all...there may be certain proprietary processes that kblb has stumbled across where a patent might be useful...but just manipulating the dna of a worm silk by inserting spider silk genes, proteins or whatever, is going to get mimicked in a way that bypasses any patents...it seems useless to run out and patent things that have a million ways to get worked around... kblb has no real competitors other than China....and China has proven that they dont give a damn about anyone's patents...
" I do wonder why you are here doing the good work every day though."
webstinker proudly proclaims that he has never owned a single share of kblb...and he hammers away making up negative shit all day every day for the past 10 years...why?...he never gives much of an answer to that question...i think because the truth is, hes just a miserable shithead...
"I think you’ve done a pretty decent job."
i dont mind different or even negative opinions...but all the chicken little bullshit about how the sky is falling 5 times a day in bold type is just horseshit...
"I honestly do not know what is a realistic valuation once this company starts producing metric tons."
no one knows...
"Anyone who is passionate about Kimbo's KBLB and believes in their pipe dream...if he even has one....is a fool. Nothing will ever come about with this thing."
"the voices arguing in my head have convinced me to hold onto a pretty good chunk of this turd."
i have heard a lot of that lately...the company is a turd, it has no chance at all, but im holding onto a bunch of shares just in case...
"Do you actually believe in this company? Legit question."
sorry but i dont have the need nor see the point in discussing anything with someone who doesnt seem to even know what hes doing...
big oil worldwide made themselves the poster children for hydrogen...so while they are raking in many many billions of dollars in profit continuing to pump out dirty oil, they are trying to make themselves out to be saviors of the environment they helped pollute...
but even then, they will only do so if they can get the governments to send them welfare checks so they can make billions off of those hydrogen projects as well....and they have the nerve to state that if they dont get free money to do the right thing, then the world can continue to choke on the pollution they continue to make...
gee...wonder why hydrogen isnt going so well?...
big oil has taken the stance that the beatings will continue until morale improves...
"A couple more bits of big news, couple good contracts for FCEL and a couple good quarters, they will be unstoppable."
which means fcel will have to become a company they have never been...the ceo would have to suddenly become competent...the company, officers and staff will have to do a 180 to make those things happen...
and it can happen...but it will take a lot of really good news...way more than a few quarters and no, they will not become "unstoppable"...thats just nonsense...but there could be improvement...
"That's why I always say TICK TOCK."
yes...you have been using that tired worn out phrase for years now...and its meant to be used when something is about to happen....soon....not when you really have no clue and there really isnt anything imminent...
i began to read this novel you wrote but it quickly became clear you were just trying to dazzle everyone with bullshit...
to me it sounded like Exxon viewed fcel as their little bitch...
"Low life scum....bottom feeder....turd burglar...schmuck....call me what you want."
alrighty then...for you, i think "useless shithead" works best...
so many announced hydrogen projects that were hailed as the second coming of energy, are suddenly evaporating...
solar, nuclear, wind and battery applications are seeing improvements almost daily somewhere...they are finding huge deposits of hydrogen all over the world...
its no wonder why very expensive hydrogen production projects are losing their luster...
"Across the sectors there seems to be the the attitude that "such and such a company missed analysts predictions " but I have never seen an article that states "analysts really misjudged the value of the stock" when there is a sudden unexpected gain."
this is what concerns you?...fcel is severly underperforming and the pps is in the crapper and THAT is what you find concerning??...
“"If you won a billion dollar lottery, would you buy controlling interest in FCEL?
A: yes”
And this is why there are so many broke former lottery winners…lol
“Thanks, got the date right”
SMGDH…the date???…that’s what you are going to hang your hat on as far as “getting it right”?…
And the truth is, that date was your third attempt at calling the date…lol
“And I'm confident”
You really need to stop using this phrase…almost NOTHING you are “confident” about EVER happens…