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Wow, you guys sound like a line from Dante’s Inferno: “enter here all ye without hope “. So for what its worth. Last year at this time LQMT was at the same pps and looking for a new home. I hope Mr. Li has all of his furniture in place and is ready to go to work for us now!
Tmleads, from my last post: .27
Past performance does not guarantee future results. But at current pace and without positive news, LQMT may drop to .16 at the end of January 2018. This would be an appropriate price giving LQMT ‘s history and way below what LQMT is worth. (About .27). Its about burning cash, no contracts to speak of in over a year and a half and counting, no positive PR, share dilution, decreasing company value, coupled with the fact that this (rise in pps and it’s decline in pps has actually occurred 4 times before etc.
This leads to a lack in trust by current shareholders (no matter what their thoughts are)and speaks volumes to potential new shareholders to stay away.
All of this happening at a unique time in LQMT ‘s history. At a time when all shareholders might see revenue regardless of their trust from a new CEO, whom has brought fresh resources to a dying company.
So it would appear that LQMT has learned nothing from its past, nor have many of the loyal and disappointed long term investors learned much more, except the fact that we have been down this road 4 times before. Thus history may repeat itself and rocket the pps to a point in time, where those who have held on will be rewarded for their loyalty in a company that possessed much hope and much promise but has shown very little and I do mean very little in the way of re$ult$. Other than reward itself IMHO, by granting their executives fat salaries and fat stock options, and the development of dozens of prototypes and interested clients and trade shows, what positive news has LQMT brought forth? To its loyal shareholders of five, ten years or more, I see nothing.
Let’s all hope that past history is not a guarantee of future results. I hope the next break to the upside will not depend on rumor, speculation or hype. But on actual revenues from hard earned work by the entire LQMT team. A team of employers and employees, who finally got their act together.
This might help someone here.
https://www.sec.gov/cgi-bin/own-disp?action=getissuer&CIK=0001141240
But it means zip to me.
It’s very simple. Read the rant in post 137569.
No websites, no rumors and no blogs are going to alter the pps.
Until a $$$$$$$ 7 digit (or greater) contract is announced the pps
Will continue a slow downward trend. Demand for shares will only
be matched by demand for contracts and not prototypes.
Prototypes represent a potential interest in LQMT not revenue.
The bottom line the public does not know how close in terms
of days or weeks of any contract with any client. Nor will any executive
Blog response allude to any forward looking statement.
If you believe Mr. Li is the grandmaster and you are the student.
Then take his advice. His very simple advice: “BE PATIENT”.
“HAVE PATIENCE”.
The drop in pps represents IMHO, very good opportunities for
new are holders, who have a high risk/reward tolerance or for any
Existing shareholder who want to average there pps in LQMT.
LQMT is at the crossroads of producing a contract.
It’s very simple. Take a deep breath and relax. It will happen!!!
I am long and balanced on LQMT. Their public relations IMHO,
Stinks. Their progress for revenue is near. I would rather have
the latter, it would be nice to have both. Also I do not see any
Large cap investors looking at LQMT under a $300 million market cap
Nor will any bite without a pipeline for growth.
So Mr. Li, all of your long term shareholders, although they kick and scream
For or against LQMT. One thing is true: THEY HAVE PATIENCE!!!. Its now
your turn to PRODUCE!!!! Its very simple.
Oops!
http://www.pim-international.com/?s=Liquidmetal%20&filter=all
Sorry about that.
Games, this might narrow it down for those interested in LQMT articles from PIM.
Long shot: new business tax cuts may lead to LQMT piggy backing off of Eontec contracts to be shipped to the U.S. thus reducing the costs of some products.
Now as far as medical parts. LQMT does specify medical parts/tools on their website. As far as the value potential of any potential sale at this point would be misleading any present or future shareholder.
Gorgol, I agree with your assessment of their blog. To be fair and honest it is a poor way or should I say a break from tradition to handle shareholder inquiries. It is lndicative of a microcap mentality which does not attract new largecap traders but tends to soothe the emotions of existing shareholders by recapping what has either been already known and previously stated. It is a step in the right direction but it is not in anyway a substitute for an investor relations contact by a company for shareholders or potential shareholder questions. When Bromage was handling investor relations before his promotion he was difficult to reach as stated by some of my earlier posts. I could have called him at home or posted the number here, but that is not the way I conduct business nor was it IMO, appropriate.
I am long on LQMT.
Good luck to you and hope you are doing much better.
Researchfyi.
Looks like Northrop Grumman improved on the Flat Head Rivet. Now maybe LQMT can improve on the nail and seek out contracts with one of the top five National Home Builders and land a perpetual multi million dollar contract and while they are at it see if they can improve on hiking equipment too. Or go it alone and manufacture the Liquidmetal nail/screws for Loews and Home Depot under their own name.
Gorgol, well said.
Clietz. If you bought each time at the peaks, yes. If you averaged up from the .12 price or lower, no. If you still are waiting for revenue, no. If you anticipated an Apple announcement or contract yesterday, yes. All of the DD that I have done on LQMT tells me in bold print this is a new technology, this is a highly speculative high risk BET! Occasionally getting seed/grant money and licensing money from other companies. None of the DD reveals an imminent huge contract. Only rumors on top of rumors and about 95% of these rumors are external from LQMT. I do know they have made at least over 20 prototype products for prospective companies that are interested in using the LQMT brand. This is their pipeline. From medical tools to prosthesis to automotive parts.
So far as I know from Tom S.to Mr. Li. No huge interested customer has placed an order.
So yes for all long term share holders this stinks, this is very bad. But the worst investment? Absolutely not!
I can name a dozen equities that would fit that category. LQMT does not fit that category yet.
IMHO, LQMT today with the same above risks, represents a much better bet today than they ever did. With the money used to buy and update LQMT. LQMT now has the resources to accomplish what Tom S. started over 10 years ago. They never had this before. They were in a dire financial situation, when they sold their soul to Apple. Now LQMT has enough cash to burn for at lest 3 more years before they vanish or are bought out.
In their quest for contracts they will burn through cash and add to dilution with options and salaries. Without revenue their PPS WILL DROP! This happens to all equities. There will be spikes from rumors and short term investors. There will be sell offs as REALITY sets in again as so often has with LQMT. If you think LQMT is not trying to find interested clients (your wrong) then sell. I know for a fact that they are making prototypes for interested clients. It may not be progress be cause we know of no sales. But they do have the resources and the management team now to seal the deal. I can post direct links to these facts as well including the links prototypes.
I hope this put LQMT in a more clearer light. It is difficult to wait and wait and wait. LQMT does have huge communication problems with it’s shareholders IMHO, I will grant you that. But it’s not the worst bet in these casinos. Hang in there. I did not mean for this post to be harsh. Just to help. My apologies in advance.
Good luck to you.
All of Europe too. Should have caught the lithium mining wave.
MakingMine. There are a few ways to verify institutional holdings of any company by any institution on form 13F.
So here is one way at SEC.GOV
I bypassed the entry pages and brought you to the link where you can enter any equity and or institutional trader.
Here is the link:
https://www.sec.gov/edgar/searchedgar/companysearch.html
Now let’s enter “Carret asset management”(one of LQMT’s institutional investors) in the company name box, without the quotation marks.
This will take you to this link:
https://www.sec.gov/cgi-bin/browse-edgar?company=Carret+asset+management+&owner=exclude&action=getcompany
Then press the first “Documents box”. This will be for the last quarter 11-14-2017 for this company.
This will take you to this next link here:
https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/791490/000114036117042288/0001140361-17-042288-index.htm
Then tap or press on the third line down in red, where it states:
Form13finfoTable.html
It will take you to this Link:
https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/791490/000114036117042288/xslForm13F_X01/form13fInfoTable.xml
Where all company holdings are listed for Carret Asset Management in alphabetical order. Scroll down to Liquidmetal Technologies.
See my post 134137 for the list of institutional holding companies and you can follow the same steps for each.
I could have just posted the last link. But it is better if you can see the process and at the same time learn another tool for investing.
I hope this helps you
Researchfyi.
MakingMine, yes I can. I thought I did that in an earlier post. But if not, I wil get you the link and post it.
As of mid November institutional funds have not sold LQMT shares during the sell off beginning late September. They have held onto their positions. According to the 13f’s on file.
Good night.
I see zero manipulation in LQMT. Only increased speculation buys by short term traders and sellers from the same group and profit taking by long terms shareholders thus causing a rapid rise and decline in price. It would take at least $10 million to attempt manipulation of this stock in a trading day. The volume of shares trading right now on a daily basis IMO, does not support any manipulation. There is evidence of bogs and posts and rumors and interpretation of information that might manipulate people into buying or selling LQMT. But manipulating the pps of LQMT, on low volume seems to me to be a bit far fetched. Especially when the share price is still trading much higher then it’s actual worth right now. This may seem like manipulation. But to be fair it is a price more reflective of what the CEO PAID FOR LQMT and the anticipation by many awaiting (forever) for revenues to be reported. Just my opinion, which is worth less than the price of the share price.
There is no manipulation. The volume is steady, the hype is gone except for an occasional post here (not unusual), the management of which I have been very critical and honest about IMO, fails to address website issues and investor relation issues. As outlined in a recent post, the drop in price reflects the sentiment towards the company by shareholders and is a direct result of over expecting results by the shareholders coupled with what all perceive as a lack of results coming out of LQMT. That is not to say there has not been any progress. It is just that the price rocketed up to fast on the hype or mood and now reflects a more fair value of the company itself. In essence if one were to buy LQMT today or tomorrow (and as stated before .21 is a very good entry point) then it would not be based on hype or rumor. Nor would it be for a short term trader or pop in share price. It IMO, would be for the anticipation of possible future growth based on the already publicly announced recent investments by the CEO and hope that he along with his management team can successfully find interested clients willing to see the need and advantages of using LQMT in their products. Thus resulting in revenue and revenue growth. Whether that happens sooner or later is anyone’s guess. But guesses are not facts they are merely opinions, conjecture, feelings and sometimes very speculative. IMO all should take long term investing very seriously and consider the facts not the hype. There is enough information out there to know that LQMT is trying to move forward and at the same time they are burning through cash and adding share dilution at the same time. So you have both positive and negative facts. The bet right now is at what point will one stop the other. Hopefully progress will win out during the upcoming year. Read my post on REALITY CHECK!!!
There is no manipulation!
You have buyers and sellers and the MM’s have to buy when there are no outside buyers. This is the world of the B.B. market. Due the DD and buy hold or sell.
Good luck to all in LQMT.
Another buying opportunity for new investors as LQMT might dip to .21.
REALITY CHECK!!! LQMT began it’s ascent from late December 2015 @ .06 to peak almost two years later @ .44 September 2017. All of this occurred due to internal changes taking place. None of the increases were due to continued sales growth, but rather on the share purchase price by the new CEO, causing a chain reaction by talking about returning to profitability, moving to new headquarters and purchasing additional equipment, perhaps giving all an impression that sales might be imminent. In addition to all of this the new CEO announced an open house which this board refers to as the “OH”. This chain reaction to the above caused speculation by long term shareholders and other speculative short term traders. Much was read into Mr Li’s comments and much was expected from both the new CEO coupled with the rumors surrounding any and all of Apple ‘s new product releases in September. Add to this mix posted rumors surrounding new patents and a growing economy. All of this taking place and new traders wanting to get in on the bottom floor in anticipation of something big, created a perfect storm. When nothing materialized from both Apple & LQMT and other rumors surrounding the auto and medical industries. Much of it was caused by LQMT ‘s own website. It is no wonder that the ascent stopped/paused and reversed direction since September 2017. It happens all of the time to small, mid, large and mega cap stocks as well. The short term traders are gone and the helium/hype has left. The share price returns to a level where reality of it’s value is better reflected. The current level .24 to .27 give or take a penny remains in place still anticipating the announcement of a sale or another big rumor. If nothing happens quarter by quarter the share price declines as it should with any stock not producing positive results or meeting shareholders expectations. The bottom line is long term shareholders have nothing else but to hope that Mr Li ‘s investment into LQMT will bare fruit. Not rumors, not patents, not websites, not speculation, not blogs nor insider trading action none of these will result in long term growth. Only the promise made by Mr. Li to return to profitability. If you believe him, then you can bank on that promise and hope and expect he will produce for LQMT and you. If you do not believe/trust in the new CEO, then you missed the boat when it left in September of this year. It is time everyone here and every long term shareholder realizes this and does an honest REALITY CHECK!!!
Until the next boat arrives (hopefully soon).
Good luck to all
Be patient!!!
Study the recent past to estimate the future for this investment.
https://seekingalpha.com/article/4054297-liquidmetal-technologies-lqmt-ceo-lugee-li-q4-2016-results-earnings-call-transcript
How accurate was the statements made fulfilled. Do they depict a fair open and honest assessment?
Its just a matter of dotting the II's & X'ing the TT's.
I believe the 2016 outlooks for 2017 are fairly accurate. Initiation of contracts delayed but are within reach. LQMT is on a path for progress.
Read:
http://ir.liquidmetal.com/mobile.view?c=130649&v=202&d=3&id=aHR0cDovL2FwaS50ZW5rd2l6YXJkLmNvbS9maWxpbmcueG1sP2lwYWdlPTExODc3MjUzJkRTRVE9MCZTRVE9MCZTUURFU0M9U0VDVElPTl9FTlRJUkUmc3Vic2lkPTU3
Then you will know why it is very difficult to announce a contract. Ordered, was raw materials over a 30 month cycle from January 2017 to September 2017. About $987,000.00. There is very specific info regarding where short term sales will be coming from. You do not need $1 million to make three or four prototypes. Nor do you need to burn the candle at night. The R&D is done! They're waiting on a decision from the interested parties to order. They're being overly and rightfully cautious. Sales will mean revenue, but not yet a profit.
Merrill lynch:
Last Price
$0.262
Day's Change
+$0.0256 +10.83%
As of 11/16/2017 03:59:38 PM ET
end of story. Now enough of the blather.
Now follow the money. Does LQMT have a contract with Multimatic Inc. ?
Not much volume based on shares issued. Does not look like a panic sell off to me. Looks more like a shake out and reality check. A theme posted here by myself and others here. Just based on potential upcoming expected and or anticipated sale, the share price is over sold below .20.
If one expects any sales within the next 2 quarters today would be a time to look at LQMT.
If not then realistically you might want to wait for certainty. Either way LQMT today presents a higher risk for those who wait as share prices look very attractive and there is way to predict when a relevant sale might be announced. LQMT is not going away. Some shareholders have.
The last few words of your last sentence of your post are the reasons why you invested in LQMT. Am I right or am I missing something here? I don't recall LQMT trying to sell anyone the Brooklyn Bridge. So why sell now. Unless you bought the bridge at .30 or higher your post makes not too much sense to me. But then again I am not too bright. I do not know much.
Good luck.
Well worth reading again. An article from April 2017 still relevant.
http://tradersnewssource.com/liquidmetal/
This is where real management steps up and produce real results.
The lack of a potential LQMT/Apple announcement, the lack of any potential contract announcements, the unveiling of a new website not user friendly, a non existent shareholder/Investor Relations Department and the lackluster latest 10Q has led to profit taking and the sell off. These are all a reflection on the performance of the management team and reasonable thinking of those who have lost trust in LQMT and want to protect their hard earned money. Its not a mystery. Its not complicated and there is no bottom when a company operates like the above. The bottom is not a hypothetical share price or wishful thinking. I wish it were. I only make wishes on my birthday.
Like any other company, all can start turning around when the above shortfalls are corrected. A sale restores interest. Revenues bring in the speculators. Share price climbs again. Long term shareholders like myself and most or all on this board are happy again.
LQMT possibly on it's way to street level again before launching to the moon. It does not take too much money to fix the website or to hire a public relations company. Unless you expect to grow by word of mouth.
Good luck to all.
One thought is that the patents would become the property of Eontec's and that LQMT would become a division of Eontec. Eventually absorbing LQMT. That was about 18 months ago.
A buying opportunity for new investors to LQMT.
So, ????? ; Was the Open House premature, poor timing, a very bad business decision or spot on ????
Just think! LQMT rises from around .24 to .44 based on pure speculation. Now imagine where the share price will rise when they start announcing contracts. Just think!
Think positive. Better days, weeks are ahead.
Have a nice night.
Based on assets and cash: LQMT trading at a fair value. (an entry point.)
Based on sales: LQMT is overpriced. (High risk).
The MM's are obligated to play hot potato with the stock.
So you have some facts. Longs are correct to express all of the views posted. The lack of progress is the fault of the entire executive board. Not us. The rise in speculation and the lack thereof rests solely on the shoulders of the executive board. Not us. more. I think its great that this board makes noise. The noise being posted is a clear reflection on the executive boards performance. The sad part is it is the only voice that LQMT has.
Mr. Li. Needs to recognize that a company that wants to grow, needs to have a voice as well. It is another reason for another drop in price.
Good luck to all.
Amorphous metal industry expected to grow 7.8% annually ( not my statistic) in the near future. There are many many private companies competing with the publicly trading companies for this new materials market. That is not to say that three or four of these companies cannot dominate the market and grow at a higher rate. It takes a lot of money to market a new material. It takes a lot of private capital to help as a company burns through cash reserves or their line of credit. Above all it takes demand from industry or every day consumers to spike the worlds interest.
What is there about Liquidmetal that will attract either one? Although amorphous metal has been around for over 60 years, the technology to produce it for the purposes of marketing has not. Only recently during the past 10 years has technology permitted the expansion of it's use. Right now the need of amorphous metal is limited to a few industry groups. Even with over 100 or 200 interested parties, no one has yet to sink their teeth in LQMT to make a big enough dent in the form of a sales contract that anyone can speak of.
When you discover what it is about Liquidmetal that attracted you to it, know this: it's development has taken a longtime to mature and LQMT has a greater chance at success today then they did when you first bought shares. You also know a lot more about Liquidmetal and what it might be used for. What's missing? Actual sales that have eluded all of us. LQMT seems to be trying to correct that. LQMT seems to be on the right path. I believe LQMT will succeed. They just need more time. We need more patience. The investment world does not have that. They demand growth now not next quarter or next year. Hence LQMT dipped. Many of us have waited between 5 and ten years for growth. Another quarter might do it or another year or even two. I believe it is worth the wait at any price. That is why I bought shares in the first place, and that is why I have added more up to the price of .38. Looking ahead past the next 5 quarters, i believe all of us will be saying they bought into a bargain.
Good luck to all.
What will negatively affect share price is share dilution. Shares issued in exchange of compensation.
The latest insider info for TC shows purchases. If TC sold shares from 11-16, he has accumulated more as of this year. TC nor Hauk's trade volume has impacted LQMT. If anything share value as increased YTD. Notice not based on revenue but on current position of the company and perceived (speculation)future revenue.
Reuters reports shows the same info.
I could be wrong. But if you have more data please let me know.
Market Cap (intraday) $264.72M
Enterprise Value. $304.56M
No. Enterprize value is 17% above the market cap!
An oddity in a bb stock. The enterprise value of the company is currently valued 17% above its market cap. Meaning for those not familiar with financial data; the assets of the company are worth more than the value of its shares. This normally implies: A. The stock is undervalued. B. There are enough assets to cover shareholders debt. Its a good thing but not usual. Very rarely does a non producing developing company have more cash and assets than it's debt.
Just a odd positive observation.