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I suspect that anyone who was interested in this when it supposedly had potential is now stuck holding shares, and now that there isn't even suposed potential, we've simply come to a point where no buyers are interested at all. I doubt there's really all too many shareholders on this, either. Maybe a few hundred at best? This was a blip on the radar for half a second, but of course that was merely a false alarm to any big buyers that might have come along, and everyone has turned away from ELTZ...
Neither of them have not owned shares meaning either of them do own shares?
Haha! I like it, because of course you can rebuild the car, but it's going to take a lot of time, money, dedication, and hard work, and it's going to require a very throrough inspection before you're allowed to put it back on the road. :)
I wish I could post a little emoji slapping its face.
What did our resident experts warn us all would happen? What are they continuing to inform us the outcome of this is? Not what the outcome will be, but what the outcome is as of the day ELTZ was suspended?
It's pretty obvious how I felt going into this, and still feel for that matter, but emotions aren't facts. That is why I actually listened, researched their shared knowledge, which they've repeatedly attempted to endow everyone here with, and ultimately picked up my own phone.
I have a question for those of you still contemplating the future of ELTZ. Do you really think that if good news came from a discussion with the SEC, Tecco and his lawers are now sitting on that information like a bunch of giddy school girls ready to jump out and yell surprise?
NO! Such information would have immediately been released in hopes that investors with a little money today don't spend it elsewhere tomorrow. More than likely they will tell us what they are legally obligated to; nothing, since the SEC has already made it clear where ELTZ is headed. Aside from that, the OTC would not risk litigation by prematurely listing ELTZ as a gray market play.
Personal opinions set aside, our experts here are our experts we should learn from them. The SEC has confirmed if there is a call, it's likely just to give ELTZ the chance to go private without being forced by the SEC. It's less costly for the SEC. It leaves a door open for those that step down honorably.
Another analogy that proves accurate is the police analogy. An officer can't respond to a call for a crime, write up their report and then later on say to the judge "hey, I actually really like this guy. Can we just look the other way on this?" It's not really in their hands at that point. There's law to be adhered to.
Should ELTZ choose to fight, it's as open and shut a case as driving without insurance. Your insurance provider isn't responsible for telling you that you've lapsed, but they are courteous enough to, so saying that your insurer sent the reminder to your neighbor isn't going to end in you keeping your license. You have to prove you paid your premium, and something went awry along the way that is out of your hands. 99.9% of the time, you're getting your license taken away. You can still drive on your private property all you want, but not the public roads. It's better to play ball and let the judge offer you a path to earning back your license.
ElTZ would have to prove they submitted filings, and something got lost along the way. Whether they recieved notice from the SEC that they didn't file is irrelevent. The judge isn't going to let ELTZ keep driving, but if they play nice they'll be offered a path to get back on the open roads some day, and it will be an easier path than they'll get for angering the judge by wasting the courts time.
A quick glance at twitter shows that many shareholders are concerned about this call. On my own call earlier, it was confirmed that our experts here are 100% correct. The 10 day suspension is meant to keep people from trading while the SEC compiles their case. The suspension-before-getting-fired analogy is accurate. Why ten days? To keep in stride with the American concept that we all have the right to a speedy trial.
Aside from that, she said it is quite possible that there is a scheduled conference call with ELTZ, but not the kind of call that bagholders are hoping for. It would be more along the lines of, again, what our experts here are telling us. It's a courtesy call. ELTZ can either willingly become a private company and have the advantage of being able to become public again with less red tape and time than a company that has never been public. If not, the SEC will kick them out, and then they will have to start from scratch if they want to go public.
I highly recommend either calling or emailing the SEC if you have any doubts. They speak bluntly with facts, and then you can know for sure!
Arguably, if this goes to grays both are correct, since ELTZ will technically be tradable... just not in a good way.
Maybe this guy can answer some of our questions?
https://www.linkedin.com/in/alex-tecco-1a1578150
New tweet posted.
https://twitter.com/WaypointThe
No sir, I am an engineer by trade. I've been asked quite a few times by people that know me well if I would ever run for public office, but I'm not sure that's for me. I enjoy getting lost in the deep thinking, abstract work that I do now. I don't think people really listen to guys like me. The public role is for those that don't come off as crazy.
Anywho, wear your smiles both outside and in. Whether you've lost here or not, tomorrow is your new day, and no amount of money can take that away from you.
Good night, wonderful people. :)
I don't believe you have anything to worry about from CC in that regard. PCTI has a verifiable track record of producing goods. It's not like they hired an expert hacker to go around social media to implant positive reviews that appear to be from years ago. Other posters see that about PCTI as well. As far as why she would get involved with ELTZ? One would think that a shell that is hanging by a thread is quite simply more affordable than one which has all of its proverbial ducks in a row.
The various chassis and electronics you see in some of the pictures are not cheap, and quite often when production contracts are awarded, the customer only pays a small percentage up front. The manufacturer only receives the of rest he contracted amount upon approval of the final goods. If PCTI had an abundance of capital to work with, they would not need investors at all.
I work for a multibillion dollar manufacturer that globally employs over 10,000 people with operations in 14 countries. It was founded nearly 100 years ago, and as you can imagine, the compound interest from 100 years of savings is more than enough for us to continue to grow as a private company.
PCTI does not have that luxury, yet they still have to remain competitive with those that do. That means at any given moment much of their capital is tied up in its operations, so it may simply be that aquiring and repairing a broken shell such as ELTZ is their best or only option for amuch needed investment platform.
For me, this is personal, because I essentially made money of this from a sell order I had set up with a far out tim-in-force. I've been recently promoted and busy with work, and haven't really had time to watch my TDA. One day I check it, and there's a suspended ELTZ and someone elses money in my account.
I don't ever want to be that slimy sleeze-bag who steals someone elses money through a pump and dump. Everyone has things they're good at. Just because someone is better at predicting the economic weather than others doesn't make it right to sit back and feel self-gratified because they think they're taking money from someone dumb who deserves it. They should be helping the person that doesn't have that skill.
That person might very well be the paramedic that saves your life. They might be that kind soul that stops during a rainstorm to help you change a flat. They could be that landscaper who knows how to turn that mess of a back yard into something beautiful when all your skills allowed you to do was stare at mud.
Agreed. Tecco is definitely at fault for delinquency and therefore suspension. What's at question is the curious timing of the SEC. With already having looked the other way for two years and the high volume note holder dump already taken place, why wouldn't they wait to see if the timeline PCTI communicated held true? As you stated, there were already bagholders from years ago, so why make even more bagholders by allowing the note dump to take place and then suspending?
The only response anyone on this forum has given to this inquiry thus far is that Tecco is at fault, and the SEC isn't to blame. What makes that rebuttal even more floppy is that it has evolved from claiming it's not the SECs job to protect shareholders to claiming they protect future shareholders.
If the SEC goes through with revokation, knowing full well that PCTI and new investors have already committed to bringing ELTZ current and making it into a legitimate business, then they are at fault for creating new bag holders. Meanwhile the note holder, which for all we know is someone close to Tecco, has already profited.
To say that bagholders created themselves by buying into this is over-simplifying. It's perfectly natural to think that our tax funded entity, the SEC, would be willing to protect investors (which is why the SEC was founded) by working with rather than against PCTI, being that their only gripe was delinquent filings, and PCTI was already enforcing that requirement with ELTZ while at the same time publically providing updates. If the suspension were for suspicious activity, the situation would be different, but that is not what the SEC put in writing and signed.
A quick search on the OTC homepage using the filters "Pink No Information" and "Caveat Emptor" can show there are tickers that have been delinquent for longer, yet are not suspended. The SEC is not going through it's records and suspending tickers in the order by which they became delinquent. It's easy to claim that the SEC is overwhelmed and understaffed and can only focus on tickers that are getting attention, but it's not as though it takes a whole lot of effort to look up delinquent filings and file a report.
Had they not neglected the duties by suspending tickers as they became delinquent, the list wouldn't be so overwhelming (most of us have let the dishes and clothes pile up too much at one time or another). Years ago a few interns could have kept up with that. Today, a clever peice of software could. The proof is undeniable. They actually are singling out specific tickers.
Given the long track record of criminal activity within the SEC, which has also been ignored by those here who are defending it, it is completely valid to question their timing and motives. As another member pointed out, our various government branches and departments are often at odds, which makes the timing even more suspect, since they did not suspend until ELTZ had signed a binding contract with a company that has already produced goods for other branches of government.
Anytime you see such a complicated legal matter dismissed so readily, you will almost always find that it was dismissed to move the case to a higher court, which seems to be the case here, too.
https://www.thinkadvisor.com/2019/10/11/states-lawsuit-against-sec-reg-bi-dismissed-by-lower-court/?slreturn=20200012142135
I'm finding myself again incomplete aggreeance with you. I think it's great that we can find common ground here. And your advise is the most perfect of all. We, the people, must neccesarily advise our congresspeople for them to know or expectations for how our society is run. It is through that level of collaboration that we can make a positive difference.
I am going to stop beating my dead horse, as I now realize I've steered the conversation away from this forums intent, which is constructive conversation about ELTZ.
I would completely agree with you if the SEC had a clean track record of prosecuting delinquent companies in chronological order as they went delinquent, but that is not the case. They pick and choose, seemingly on a whim. The SEC, created in 1934 to protect investors, did not do what it gets funded to do. Several states agree with this assessment, and are taking the matter up in court on the grounds that the SEC is actually putting investors at risk.
https://www.bendbulletin.com/business/states-sue-sec-over-weakened-broker-rules/article_5fcd29fc-7490-5f11-bc37-553c824fbf2f.html
That is precisely why I am not in the negative on ELTZ. Investors should always be looking out for number one.
That being said, the SEC should still be subject to a class action lawsuit on behalf of those who's money got locked up as a result of the SEC picking and choosing when to following the law.
One can do all the DD in the world, but if a renegade faction of the govenment with an endless track record of criminal activity is in charge of the game, we all are still at risk of losing; even if the rules say we should be winning.
There's no debate on the topic of SEC corruption. Tecco's corruption amounted to trying to create a business out of thin air, and then trying to make money off it without actually producing anything.
SEC corruption has collapsed entire macroeconomies practically overnight. I spent the last hour putting together a list of articals to back this statement up.
On another note, I agree with lucky,mydog that SEC rules should be based on hard deadlines. The current rules are a joke. The SEC should not be allowed to pick and choose what laws want to enforce. To give a hypothetical example of what can happen as law is currently written, an SEC board member can take a little time before acting to have his cousin let his friends know what stock to buy or sell in the next few days. How could we, the people, ever prove such an action if it were taken? Hard dates, as lucky,thedog quite perceptively suggested, would make the playing field even. If filings are not submitted by the deadline, suspension should be automatic.
Now, here is that list of SEC press:
SEC accused of racism and sexism
https://www.law360.com/articles/658255/sec-accused-of-race-sex-bias-over-denied-bonus
SEC investigated for destroying records
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/sec-accused-of-dumping-records/2011/08/17/gIQAKxF7LJ_story.html
https://www.wanttoknow.info/11/08_sec_destroyed_files_food_farmland_prices_corruption
https://www.complianceonline.com/sec-accused-of-destroying-documents-violating-federal-record-management-policy-12427-prdad
https://www.bizjournals.com/washington/morning_call/2011/08/sec-accused-of-destroying-files.html
https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424053111904070604576514840171054216
https://www.investorlawyers.com/blog/whistleblower_claims_sec_is_st/
SEC negligence allows Madoff to walk eight times and destroys more records to cover it up
https://www.businessinsider.com/2009/1/sec-investigated-and-fooled-by-madoff-eight-times
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/sec-accused-of-destroying-records-of-madoff-inquiry-c0v2pmb2mxt
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2011-01-25/madoff-ponzi-victims-allege-sec-negligence-in-suit-against-u-s-government
SEC meanwhile harrass one of the most brilliant minds of our era
https://www.theverge.com/2019/3/11/18260339/elon-musk-sec-twitter-filing-contempt-response
https://www.cryptovibes.com/blog/2018/12/10/elon-musk-sec-business-ethics/
https://cleantechnica.com/2019/03/12/elon-musk-to-sec-that-is-not-what-we-agreed-to/
SEC wastes US taxpayer resources to go after Canadian chat app kik over ICO witch hunt
https://www.verdict.co.uk/kik-ico-case-sec/
SEC tries to put a spin on discouraging whistleblowers or just ignores them completely
https://boardagenda.com/2018/06/29/sec-accused-of-discouraging-executive-whistleblowers/
https://www.dallaswhistleblowerlawyer.com/blog/sec-accused-of-mishandling-whistleblower-claim-regarding-financial-misconduct-at-deutsche-bank/
https://www.fastcompany.com/90295002/sec-is-accused-of-mishandling-a-whistleblower-tip-about-financial-crisis-era-misconduct
https://thebreakingnewsheadlines.com/blog/sec-is-accused-of-mishandling-a-whistleblower-tip-about-financial-crisis-era-misconduct/
https://thenewsheadline.com/sec-is-accused-of-mishandling-a-whistleblower-tip-about-financial-crisis-era-misconduct/
SEC gives hedge funds a free pass and allows naked shortselling, ignores six years of warnings
https://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1470721/posts
https://theinternationalforecaster.com/topic/international_forecaster_weekly/Latest_Scandals_Moneylaundering_Scams_Prison_Population_Boom_Neocon_Conjobs
https://www.wallstreet-online.de/diskussion/500-beitraege/813896-1-500/short-selling-market-makers-geschockt
http://jeffmatthewsisnotmakingthisup.blogspot.com/2005/12/necessary-correction.html
SEC fails at basic responsibilities leading to 2008 financial collapse
https://scholarship.richmond.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2828&context=lawreview
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/is-sec-fearful-of-wall-street-agency-insider-says-yes/
SEC uses taxpayer funded ISP badwidth to literally jerk-off during financial crisis
https://grabien.com/file.php?id=17591
SEC Accused Of Deliberately Misleading Court,
https://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsgs.aspx?subjectid=55464&msgnum=720&batchsize=10&batchtype=Next
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=9690743
http://cmkxgroup.proboards.com/thread/622/stockgate-today-david-patch-investigate
SEC attempts to place itself on a pedestal above congress and tax payers
https://mchenry.house.gov/newsroom/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=330560
https://thehill.com/regulation/finance/293415-gop-lawmaker-sec-moving-too-slow-on-jobs-act-rules
https://www.jdjournal.com/2013/04/12/sec-accused-of-neglecting-implementation-of-the-jobs-act/
SEC investigated by FBI for insider trading
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/banksandfinance/5331570/FBI-investigates-SEC-pairs-share-trading.html
SEC creates loophole for big business to bypass shareholder climate resolutions
https://news.bloomberglaw.com/banking-law/sec-accused-of-blocking-shareholder-initiatives-on-climate-risk
SEC accused of looking the other way on matters of fraud
https://www.insuranceinsider.com/articles/77830/sec-accused-of-sitting-on-stanford-fraud-for-a-decade
SEC withholds documents in Walmart bribery case
https://www.law360.com/articles/630195/sec-stall-tactic-over-wal-mart-bribery-probe-unlikely-to-fly
SEC currently being sued by states for not protecting investors
https://www.bendbulletin.com/business/states-sue-sec-over-weakened-broker-rules/article_5fcd29fc-7490-5f11-bc37-553c824fbf2f.html
SEC incompetence and corruption is nothing new
https://books.google.com/books?id=gcaG-opB-TwC&pg=PA1474&lpg=PA1474&source=bl&ots=av0q2eszge&sig=ACfU3U29Vs-Me6_nI0mNJrHHVoPJpX_Nqg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiLx4vbs_zmAhWDzlkKHd43AqsQ6AEwH3oECGUQAQ#v=onepage&q&f=false
https://books.google.com/books?id=rMgEcex0YicC&pg=PT202&lpg=PT202&source=bl&ots=_-GIn9G3AJ&sig=ACfU3U0ERAy9GwKhUBdmD-YL4311asYqfw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj8x5Sauf7mAhUjo1kKHWMNDl0Q6AEwCnoECEwQAQ#v=onepage&q&f=false
https://www.nytimes.com/1972/12/02/archives/sec-is-accused-of-a-pbw-deal-casey-denies-charge-made-by.html
This is my last post of the day.
First let me say to lucky,mydog that when you quote ONLY part of a sentence,the accepted format in english is as follows:
"If no evidence comes out of any wrongdoing..."
The ellipsis let's people know that you've purposely chosen to misrepresent by omitting part of the quote. Yes, there was wrongdoing, but clearly I said on the part of CC, who was actually trying to make things right.
Now I will respond to Bildo.
I didn't just "hear something [I] don't like or agree with..." Like yourself, I'm not some disgruntled investor who's capital disappeared overnight. I sat on my trip ones for over a year and more than made my money back. However, having read about some of the losses my fellow investors are now struggling to deal with, I would have gladly forfeited a couple grand I had basically forgotten about to see this suspended a month ago when it would have been appropriate. I feel horrible for the people that lost out because the SEC decided not to go after Tecco for, as you said, over a year, and instead jumped all over this the moment CC put her name to it. That's not a theory of some grand government conspiracy.
The timing of this SEC action clearly illustrates for all of us that someone at the SEC had no problem letting Tecco slide, again, for over a year, and didn't care about holding ELTZ accountable until the opportunity to damage CC and PCTI came along. The SEC should necessarily investigate itself to determine why such unchecked negligence on their part went on for so long, and why, once CC announced plans to bring ELTZ up to date and use it for something good, ELTZ delinquency suddenly became an issue for them. The report doesn't suggest suspension for volume, or suspicious activitly. It was for missed filing dates, which became a moot point once it became clear that Tecco was passing the ELTZ badge to a new sherriff who, unlike the SEC, was actually enforcing ELTZs requirement to file.
I still stand by my statement. This SEC action isn't about Tecco, or it would have happened before CC and PCTI came into the picture.
Follow the same policy the SEC had for ELTZ right up until a businesswoman stood to suffer personal harm? Ok, got it.
PCTI has a perfect score on glassdoor from 2017. Four more perfect scores on facebook from four plus years ago. ALL signs point to C.C. being an honorable businesswoman who's end product other branches of government felt perfectly comfortable purchasing and using. That speaks volumes.
We have to remember, this is the U.S. We don't pay the government to suppress and attack honest Americans, which unfortunately is happening more and more while we're slowly being conditioned to accept it. -WE- pay the SEC to ensure people are protected; Handsomely, in fact: https://fortune.com/2017/12/12/william-duhnke-sec/ Over a half amillion dollars a year to chill at a desk. Not bad, right?
Realistically, how many dollars exchanged hands in ELTZ over these past weeks? Somewhere between $3-5M? Basically nothing these days in terms of business. Our SEC team referenced above costs us more than that. At this point volume had already tapered off, so by suspending now, they really stopped nothing.
They could have reached out to CC and said look, here's what we think you've gotten yourself into. There are some things we're going to be investigating while you're in the process of this RM, but we are so glad that this is moving from a delinquent filer with a criminal past into the hands of a legitimate, reputable businessperson who has already worked with other branches of government. We'll also work with you every step of the way in making this right, but we have to determine if there's any sins of the past that need to be addressed. Should we find something questionable, we'll be sure the finger is pointed in the right direction and do our best to help mitigate any fallout that lands on PCTI.
Instead they waited until CC told her potential investors that she was working hard on making sure auditing was underway, and then brought the hammer down on her hours later. My position remains the same; If no evidence comes out of any wrongdoing on the part of CC or PCTI, someone at the SEC needs to held criminally responsible for this deliberate attempt to defame CC and PCTI. Filings were over a year late for a long time. If they wanted to go after Tecco, they had plenty of opportunity. Instead, they went after a rising female CEO the moment they new she was taking charge of a bad situation. Timing is seldom coincidence. What the SEC has done to her is despicable.
I apologize in advance for this long dissertation I'm about to write. Perhaps I'm just being cynical, but I believe there is a much larger ethical issue here, and the SEC needs to be held accountable.
So basically they knew this guy, Tecco with a record, was sitting on this stock and missing filing dates, while being generally irresponsible in his duties. But the SEC does the absolute bare minimum. They toss a letter in the mail, and call it a day. Whatever, let our man Tecco be Tecco. It's just how he is, so let's not give this a second glance. I mean we mailed him letter right? Let's cut him some slack and move on.
Now, after knowing for over a year they wanted filings, they continue to do nothing. No big deal. Let Tecco be Tecco. Heck, if not for guys like him, we'd all be out of a job at the SEC. We need guys like Tecco to exist to justify having a budget down at the ol'SEC. What would we do if all that was out there were hard working, honest people? Thanks Tecco! We, the SEC are quite literally your biggest fan!
So the stock sits dead with essentially no movement for over a year, and the SEC doesn't silently bring this down when it was actually appropriate. Now, from seemingly out of nowhere, this honorable hardworking businesswoman comes along with some stellar intentions. She's going to take this shell by storm and make it into something worthwhile. Within a few weeks of putting her name and reputation on this, suddenly the SEC has problem. We can't have some woman CEO becoming a success. Doesn't she know this is the good ol'boys club?
So, now with full publicized knowledge that this female CEO is going to fix ELTZ up and has even hired an IR rep to keep progress in the open as events unfold, the SEC decides to move. It's clearly obvious this isn't going to belong to Tecco, one of the good ol'boys, anymore. So let's go ahead and use this to stage an all out personal attack against her and show this girl her place. Business is a man's world, so stay out of it, CC.
Knowing full well that all they were doing, after having over a year to address ELTZ, was destroying her reputation and defaming her good name while turning potential investors away from her, they decide to move anyways. Heck, they even get a female secretary to sign the notice. See, the SEC isn't against women at all. NOT!!!
Again, sorry to repeat, but help me wrap my head around this... So, they let the first year pass without filing, which at that point gave them the right to take action against ELTZ, while a man with a record held it. Within weeks of a woman publically announcing that she's going to make something useful out of ELTZ and is actually making progress, they decide to take action?
They are so against woman in bussiness that rather than waiting a couple months for ELTZ to become a fully-filing, tax paying entity, they'd rather waste the tax payer's money to shut her down fast and make her look bad, knowing full well that she and her bussiness were going to suffer the most from their actions against ELTZ.
Does anyone else think this is completely amoral, and the SEC needs to be held legally accountable for being completely corrupt and sexist and purposely defaming C.C. character? This is so messed up. There are countless tickers out there that were far worse off than this, but they specifically decide now is the time to target ELTZ since a women is about to own it. WTF???
The SEC needs to answer dearly for this in the form of a judge making it very clear that they owe miss Chris and her investors every penny the SEC has cost her and her investors directly out of the SEC budget, else the SEC personnel behind this move will be out a job and behind bars for a while to set an example for every other group of chauvinistic pigs that think they can get away with using the law to hold down women. Despicable. Shameful. Down right disgusting.
Ok, I'm done venting. Thanks for hanging in this long!
At the end of the day, PCTI owes us nothing. As of now, we are Elite Group investors, not PCTI investors. I imaging that their priority is pretry simple. Use this shell to expedite going public. Straighten out the share structure, more than likely through a combination of buy backs, and one big fat RS. Perhaps someday they will be a Loc.Mar. type operation where being worth billions of dollars is the norm, but to get to that point they need extremely wealthy investors, and those won't come around until uplisting occurs.
All that being said, working in the same industry as PCTI, I'm confident that they are currently worth millions. Industrial manufacturing equipment is absurdly expensive. If my theory is correct, this is currently undervalued until it's out of trips. Even if there were 10B shares it is undervalued.
Anyways, an RS doesn't indicate impending failure. We've all seen firesales at a company's mere consideration of an RS, only for investors to realize the purpose was to reduce share count and uplist; not print more shares. Then market cap becomes the focus, and the realization that investors sold until it was way undervalued kicks in. Investors come flooding back. It's not often, but PCTI is not in the business of messing around or they would not be awarded military contracts. For all we know, it could be PCTI customers pushing them to expand operations as quickly as possible to meet future demands. Hence, no time to go through the process of going public from scratch.
On a side note, let's face it. War with the middle east has been ongoing since before the US even existed. This war started hundreds of years ago with pirates raiding trade ships going back and forth from America, and it has never stopped. Now passenger jets filled with Americans are being blown out of the sky "by accident." As an all out war deterrent, America likes to show the world how terrifingly fast they can expand their military if they want to. That seems to be happening now, and American based manufacturers are needed to support such efforts.
This has so much potential for anyone who wants to stay for the long haul, but there will necessarily be some growing pains before getting there.